How much tilt...

[birdie_man]

Any situations or players that need less tilt or a head that is further forward?

Why?

If you say yes....is it a bad thing?

i.e. do you feel this player would be giving up something (Flipper: "For maximum pivot participation, you need to get that shoulder as far away as possible...")

 

[Burner]

Any situations or players that need less tilt or a head that is further forward?

Why?

If you say yes....is it a bad thing?

i.e. do you feel this player would be giving up something (Flipper: "For maximum pivot participation, you need to get that shoulder as far away as possible...")

How much tilt depends on how much force you want to apply to the rear of the golf ball. BUT, tilting to excess or hanging back is as ineffective as not tilting at all.

Punching your weight involves hitting through whatever it is that you are hitting at and you cannot do that if you get in front of the object at which you are directing your force.

So, tilting positions the body in order to enable the effective delivery of force and swinging through, rather than at, the ball gets the weight, and tilt, shifted forwards and through the hit thus maximising the concussive delivery of the knock-out punch.

 

[Brian Manzella]

25 years of teaching.

In my whole career, I never saw anyone who—without their head going WAY backward—ever have too much axis tilt.

Zero.

Zilch.

Nada.

None.

Now, I have seen people who without their head going WAY backward—had NOT ENOUGH SHOULDER OPENING.

The funny thing is, there is CONSTANT fascination (as long as I have been "in golf") with trying to THROW the clubhead at the ball and have the shoulders near square at impact.

No chance.

Junk.

Now, there have been great layers who HAD their shoulders only SLIGHTLY open at impact—Payne Stewart being one example—but they did it with LOTS of ARM SWING, not any goofy wrist-moving-the-wrist stuff.

Go to GolfDigest.com and look at the FACE ON swing videos.

Nothing SQUARE about them shoulders!

 

[pieman]

tilt or shoulder dipping?

brian:
can too much axis tilt get confused with dippig the right shoulder? would the slight bump to the target and then turn with the pivot give you the correct amount of axis tilt automatically? seems i may dip my shoulder thinking this is where the tilt comes.
thanks

 

[tongzilla]

How to fix this?

Brian,

How do you stop somone from moving their head too much toward their right foot during the downswing (usually accompanied by a slight dip also)? Assume head is in "correct" position at address.

 

[Bigwill]

Brian,

How do you stop somone from moving their head too much toward their right foot during the downswing (usually accompanied by a slight dip also)? Assume head is in "correct" position at address.

I'd like to hear the answer to this one. This is a problem in my swing.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Hmmmm...

Brian,

How do you stop somone from moving their head too much toward their right foot during the downswing (usually accompanied by a slight dip also)? Assume head is in "correct" position at address.

1. The Plane is the boss

If the Right Shoulder gets BELOW the TURNED SHOULDER PLANE on the downswing, dos the club get below plane as well?

Sometimes, just get the club to draw a better PLANE LINE through the ball and IT (The plane) will dictate to the Right Shoulder.

2. Golfer's Perception of the Right Shoulder's "Aiming Point"

If it (Golfer's Perception of the Right Shoulder's "Aiming Point") causes the Right Shoulder to go BELOW the Turned Shoulder Plane on the downswing, change it so it doesn't.

How many do you want?

I already gave you one NOBODY ELSE has ever talked about.

 

[birdie_man]

Regarding #2...

So you basically mean then that when the person trys to shift their Aiming Point forward (to have more forward lean) they will swing too far to "right field"?

...

 

[Brian Manzella]

Not the Homer Kelley referenced "Aiming Point"

Homer Kelley [Hands] Aiming Point (from the 6th edition) —
The Hands and the Clubhead combine as Clubhead Lag and can be utilized to execute "Delivery" by directing the Lag Pressure Loading at-and through an Aiming Point.

Brian Manzella [Right Shoulder] Aiming Point (from an idea of mine) —
The Right Shoulder execute its "Delivery" by directing itself at-and through an Aiming Point.

 

[birdie_man]

So you like to (teach people to?) aim with the right shoulder then?

Let me guess.....so you don't move your hands with your hands?

 

[Bigwill]

Homer Kelley [Hands] Aiming Point (from the 6th edition) —
The Hands and the Clubhead combine as Clubhead Lag and can be utilized to execute "Delivery" by directing the Lag Pressure Loading at-and through an Aiming Point.

Brian Manzella [Right Shoulder] Aiming Point (from an idea of mine) —
The Right Shoulder execute its "Delivery" by directing itself at-and through an Aiming Point.

What's the aiming point for the shoulder? Is it the ball?

 

[timm]

What's the aiming point for the shoulder? Is it the ball?

Brian,

Could you answer this one question on the aiming point for the shoulder? No matter how hard I try not to move my hands with my hands I always do when try direct pp#3 to the aiming point.

Timm

 

[rcandgolf]

Aiming point for right shoulder?

I would like to hear Brian's answer to this one, since I send my right shoulder down well ABOVE the turned shoulder plane with very little axis tilt. This causes a steep initial plane for the club which I try to save by standing up through impact and throwing/flipping the club at the ball.

 

[joeparr]

And the answer is?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Well...

The Right Shoulder should go toward the ball, but the golfer may need to feel like it goes someplace else.

 

[cmartingolf]

A note from Moe Norman

Moe once told me he hit the ball with his right shoulder. So he was aiming it at something!