How to teach someone [w/ManzellaAudioAnswer]

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birdie_man

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Brian...I'm gonna try to teach my dad's buddy how to really golf.

He's been playing for years (maybe 20)...about 15 handicap.

He rolls it open too much/too inside on the backswing and kind of "caresses" the ball on his forward swing. His current swing wouldn't give him much power if he actually went at it anyway (flipper) but he doesn't even...he just looks like he's almost being careful to break the ball or something. Polishes it. Leakage. Hits up on it. Flips it...w/e.

He drives it 200-230 on average (250 is HAMMERED for him). Very low flight. I hit my 2 iron higher than he hits his short irons.

He's a big guy (think Stadler- almost to a tee)...and apparently was a real good hitter in baseball. I don't know if that means anything but...he's a swinger right now and has been for his whole life...it's obviously not working for him. His swing is not really bad to the eye generally if you know what I mean but...I dunno...think "full motion/half speed" lol.

So what should I start with? He has no clue what TGM means...so I don't really want to overload him yet...I just want to make him "see the light" kinda so he can really realize what he needs to be doing.

[EDIT] BTW he's one of those guys who really gets his wheels spinning when he golfs. He reads all those "Top 100,000 Tips" and crap and thinks that if he can find the right "swing thought" he's "FOUND THE SECRET!". He wants to improve but he thinks wayyyyy to much to the point where it really really really gets in the way. But I'd prolly think too much too if I was as confused as he is.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Teach him the twist away

Tell him to punch the ground (literally) with the heel of his right hand...like someone would do in martial arts if they hit you in the chest

He'll probably flip at it and miss and/or thin it. Then put a tee in the ground about 4" ahead of the ball and to the right and tell him to try and hit the tee through impact

Once he gets that "Feeling" he won't want to stop :D
 
birdie_man

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Ok that's kind of what I was thinking...teach him a flat left wrist like in that new Ben Doyle video on Lynn's site. Chip, pitch, punch.

Thanks again Jim...you always seem to be good for advice.
 
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Mathew

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If you are re-building a stroke the first place you want to look is their basic motion. There is nothing better for achieving a better stroke quickly and improving impact conditions.
 
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DDL

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I am trying to teach my mom the basics of impact. She is getting the hang of a flat left wrist, hands ahead of the ball, and forward leaning shaft, using an impact bag and a dowel. However, she always flips her wrists while hitting balls with a club. How do I teach her not to flatten her right wrist?

As a result of thousands and thousands of repetitions , I can now slightly unbend my right wrist from the top to impact. Flat left wrist at impact, but a slightly VJish type of lack of extensor action and consequent right hand coming off the grip a bit.

I demonstrated dragging the lag with a swiffer broom/brush.

As I was teaching her this stuff in the course of about 10-15 minutes, she was not too pleased with the so called teaching pro who taught her abolutely nothing in the few lessons she took from him some years ago.
 
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quote:Originally posted by Mathew

If you are re-building a stroke the first place you want to look is their basic motion. There is nothing better for achieving a better stroke quickly and improving impact conditions.
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Whaddya mean Matt?
 
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sbark

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Might wanna try Yoda's Secret (right index finger deal) within a nice 1/2 swing motion
Helps retain right wrist bend, which helps retain left wrist flat-------then just hit down
 
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Mathew

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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

quote:Originally posted by Mathew

If you are re-building a stroke the first place you want to look is their basic motion. There is nothing better for achieving a better stroke quickly and improving impact conditions.
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Whaddya mean Matt?
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Its in Chapter 12....

If you improve things in a mini form of a putt or chip it is the easiest way to improve your impact conditions and principles of the stroke....
 
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Mathew

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So basically you do a few things to band-aid him so he comes back and you use your best one first...because you think he doesn't have the patience to do things properly... right ?
 
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6bee1dee

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Matt, you got to sell the sizzle and wow them to know even more. Not everyone wants to start from sractch- again. We both know that basic motion and the Dowels drills are the two best things anyone can do to swing better, but it is a bore to a weekend player who just wants to hit them straight.

I think Brian's idea of getting a slicer to smash long hard hooks in five minutes is something the whole instructional business should do. Most PGA packages bore students before they even reach impact- weeks later.

Great idea BM.
 
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EdZ

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Gee... hitting a hook first, where have I heard that one before? ;)

high sweeping hooks, then low burning fades (stinger), then a straight ball....
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

The way I do it, Ed, is not the same ole "flip hook" way.
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depends on your perspective

twist away gives a 'head start', but release to follow through is the same

for any given result there is but one line of compression. You put geometry over physics, the so-called 'flip' hook puts physics over geometry - the imperatives are the same - the line of compression produces the result
 
birdie_man

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Wow thanks Brian.

I'll give it a shot man.

Try and get him to see what he's doing, then what he needs to do...then get him to compress one so he's hooked.

Then get more into it only when he's a believer...and ready for it.

OK.

Thanks again.

-Paul
 
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