How to you "roll" ....to release the clubhead?

[300Drive]

while hitting the inside back quadrant of the ball, I understand that you must "roll" your left arm. How does this happen? Do you "roll it" or "allow it to roll". Which is correct and how do to get that to happen?

Thanks

 

[cherrybarry]

I allow it roll, meaning I don't do it consciously. Usually, my left arm fails to roll if I lose PP#4 and/or lose the axis tilt. So for me, it's basically axis tilt and PP#4 which allows the roll to happen.

 

[EdZ]

Allow it to roll.

But before it 'clicks' for most folks, they need to 'make' it roll, until they know the feel of a hard hook, and a sweeping hook.

It may help you to feel you 'start' the roll from the top - keyword "smoooooooooooth" - there is no 'hit'

'flow the toe' and 'toe to target' are good thoughts to have when first getting this.

Brian's 'twist away' is all about the post impact 'toe to target' (in feel, if not reality) - thinking of 'toe to target' from the start of the takeaway on will give you what he is talking about - a great feel for 'post impact', right hand/arm extention - although once you get it, you will want to back off on the backswing 'toe to target' feel, and 'allow' rotation

 

[Burner]

Make half swings from parallel to the ground back to parallel to the ground front whilst gripping the club with your hands three or four inches apart - experience the roll and notice that you DO NOT have to make it happen, it just does.

 

[ragman]

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

while hitting the inside back quadrant of the ball, I understand that you must "roll" your left arm. How does this happen? Do you "roll it" or "allow it to roll". Which is correct and how do to get that to happen?

Thanks

The roll is imparted by the pivot and/or the arm swing.

If your torso moves correctly through the ball and your club is on-plane through impact and you still have trouble rotating the face, try to get the feel with short shots first.

Hit some chip shots stopping a foot past impact. Check ("LOOK, LOOK, LOOK")to make sure that the toe points at the target with a flat left wrist.

You also might want to check:
That your approach into the ball is not on too steep of a plane
and that your clubface is not closed approaching the ball

 

[bts]

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

while hitting the inside back quadrant of the ball, I understand that you must "roll" your left arm. How does this happen? Do you "roll it" or "allow it to roll". Which is correct and how do to get that to happen?

Thanks

You actively "roll both forearms (right forearm over the left)" while hitting (pushing) and passively "let them roll (by centripetal force against inertia)" while swinging (dragging).

 

[Brian Manzella]

Good Points bts...

The sweetspot of the club will CAUSE roll in a PURE SWING.

....BUT!

Often, there are plenty of 'bolt-on'compensations that the player has added resulting in UNDER ROLL for a swinger.

The solution is a NON-AUTOMATIC roll of the WHOLE left arm from release point to the swivel.

If you hook it (doing this) you either had leakage or were off-plane.

Hitters who full-roll or 4-Barrel mixers who full roll better practice a lot, But most need to learn how to full-roll just in case.

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Good Points bts...

The sweetspot of the club will CAUSE roll in a PURE SWING.

Which is why Knudson's - 'give up control to gain control' is a key concept to understand.

Obey the swinging on plane force.

 

[Brian Manzella]

But NOT in pure hitting.

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

But NOT in pure hitting.

agreed, not in 'pure' hitting

swinging is easier to repeat under pressure, because you 'do' very little

 

[swingcirclecenter]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Allow it to roll.

But before it 'clicks' for most folks, they need to 'make' it roll, until they know the feel of a hard hook, and a sweeping hook.

It may help you to feel you 'start' the roll from the top - keyword "smoooooooooooth" - there is no 'hit'

Earth to EdZ. If you do that you wil get too flippy.

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by swingcirclecenter

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Allow it to roll.

But before it 'clicks' for most folks, they need to 'make' it roll, until they know the feel of a hard hook, and a sweeping hook.

It may help you to feel you 'start' the roll from the top - keyword "smoooooooooooth" - there is no 'hit'

Earth to EdZ. If you do that you wil get too flippy.

You will only get 'flippy' if you don't understand the pivot. See EdZ drill #2