bamagrad00
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Right elbow seems to suck inside on the backswing. Any suggestions?
I take feedback very well so be honest.
I take feedback very well so be honest.
I don't like my backswing
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bamagrad00
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Ok it is public now
bamagrad00
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Thanks!! Yes, single digit. Yet, I am never satisfied. Usually don't do the video thing but there alot of golf smart guys on here.
magicmarker
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What is the prevailing miss? I don't understand what you don't like, is it just about looks?
bamagrad00
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Miss is 10 yards left (pull). When I do play well, I hit a 5 yard fade. Just looking at the swing (first video), It looks like I give up some power because of the position I get into at the top. Club face looks closed so I hold it off and never quite release. I mentioned my right elbow, maybe this is why I get into the position I do at the top. With this swing, i hit the ball very high and would like to get to a more controllable trajectory. Just so you know this was an 8 iron.
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drewyallop
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Angels on the head of a pin.
magicmarker
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I fought a 5-10 yard pull for so long I actually lost the fight. I got honest with myself and realized that if I just rip it with all I have that I hit a 5-10 yard pull time after time. I started working on my setup until I felt comfortable aiming 5 yards right of the target and now I just swing. It isn't the way I always thought I wanted to go about hitting accurate shots but the results have garnered an enormous amount of trust in it.
Jim Kobylinski
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Your path is left and you fade it because you hit it with an open enough face to do that; the pull comes from the face being a bit too closed (my edumacated guess based on experience and your personal ballflight).
Do you understand the d-plane?
Dear bamagrad00,
Questions like yours INCLUDING A VIDEO, have recently been reserved for only the 'teachers' to respond, but I see this as a GREAT opportunity to share some of my science-based findings for all.
There are lower body, upper body and shoulder complex dynamics ALL at work in every swing. IMO, you have a slight upper body imbalance condition, and need to get your lead (left) shoulder to NOT GO HORIZONTAL before impact.
It must be going UP, preferably inclined similar to the arm or club swing plane, but again, NOT VERTICAL, either. The evidence of a slight dynamic instability in your upper body, is the activity of your left foot at, and after impact. It is curling, in an attempt to regain balance, but it is too late.
Another advantage to going up the swing plane with your lead (left) shoulder, will be a smooth transition into the 'going normal', or parametric acceleration component discussed in many release threads.
I suggest you simply use a Tim Gallwey suggestion in his book The Inner Game of Golf", and in particular, the chapter on "Awareness Instruction". DO NOT try to steer your shoulder up the swing plane, simply assign a '1', for your near horizontal shoulder motion, a '2', for the desired 'swing plane' movement, and a '3' for an almost 'vertical' movement.
Then, after each swing, BE AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENED. IMO, and from Dr. Galleys research, YOUR BODY WILL SELF CORRECT, and after a string of '2's', IMO, the ball will be going just how, and where you want it too. Your challenge, will just be to RETAIN this 'going up the swing plane thought.
Good luck,
art
Jim Kobylinski
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Art while i don't disagree with what you are saying about his shoulder movement, you are asking someone who is a very good player to change his preferred shot shape of basically fade where he gets his path more left by ALLOWING that left shoulder to open earlier and asking him to not do it; that's a BIG change for any golfer let alone a low handicap. There is no reason why he can't continue swinging the way he is and just monitor his clubface more so he doesn't pull it.
Now if he WANTS to change his shot shape and get more to the inside of the ball what you say will work but he may not want too. This is why Brian didn't want people posting their videos. I will email him and ask him if he wants us to enforce this more.
You're crowded at address and bailing out at impact. Look at impact and address and you'll see how much you've backed up to create some room for you arms. Often when you do this you flip it over, and theres your left. Move away, take it MORE left with your body and you'll hold it off a bit.
Dear Jim,
Thanks for your comments, as I am sure you noticed, I respect the intention of controlling the blog processes, as I noted in the first sentence, and just wanted to discuss the science involved.
So, when you and Brian discuss this, please consider the difference between the science behind the 'error generation', and in the instructors mind, the least 'invasive' solution options, as you described.
Regards,
art
bamagrad00
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I apologize, I have not been on here in a while and was not aware of the video posting policy. Will not happen again. Thanks to all for the insight. I have been following this sight for the past 5 years and really played some great golf with some of the previous videos. COFF and NHA were great and gave me some feelings in my golf swing I had never had before. The best was up the wall, down the wall, and left of the wall. With that said, I am about to start playing more golf and I purchased the Release video. I was a bit shocked in the direction the Manzella group is taking. Just seems much different from previous instruction. I did hit some balls the other day with the Release swing thoughts and the results were a little surprising. Ball flight was actually a little lower and maybe a little more pop off the face, with less effort. I guess I have a question, how do things like up the wall, down the wall, left of the wall tie in with Release? If at all. I do have video of this session of Release swing thoughts that could be compared to the video I posted here which was back in videoed in March. Thanks again.
Jim Kobylinski
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1) don't worry about the video, we don't have it sticky'd so hard for people to know
2) the release is just that, the release you can use it with whatever pattern you want
3) you were probably hitting it lower because as described in the release video a lot of people end up with more delay and generally not always but generally more delay tends to lead to lower ball flights.
Dear bamagrad00,
By approaching the golf full swing from a science-based and INTEGRATED DYNAMICS perspective since 2007, I have read, analyzed and tested golfers paying particular attention to how the quality of the swing and shot is affected by varying degrees of IMBALANCE.
I also have been actively reading and participating on this blog, and also was fortunate to be able to 'audit' both Anti Summit I and II by reviewing the videos multiple times, and in some cases discussing the content with some folks that attended.
As a trained 'systems' scientist, I see the subjects you noted above as 'partial' but valid trends and sometimes solutions to problems noted by golfers on the blog, and probably noted by students of Brian and his other Academy teachers. I too await their comments on the subjects you noted as to their relationship to each other, but mostly to the 'new release'.
From my perspective, much of the advice given has a strong relationship with the dynamic balance of the lower body, the upper body, and the shoulder complexes, and if these segments are stable, the probability of a high quality shot is almost assured. So I see many of these corrective instructions as options of how to enhance balance and stability margins. In your case I see a few areas of potential imbalance that from one swing and one view led me to provide my previous response.
Please PM me if you would like to better understand this integrated dynamic balance area.
Sincerely,
art
Brian Manzella
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A man walks into the store and says.....I don't like my shoes....
bamagrad00
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......so he buys new shoes. LOL.
In regard to my imbalance, I have fought the curling/turning of my left foot for many years. I have tried many feels to try and make this better. It is just not simple to stop doing it. Obviously my upper body takes over and pulls/torques that leg. Any recommendations?
In regard to my imbalance, I have fought the curling/turning of my left foot for many years. I have tried many feels to try and make this better. It is just not simple to stop doing it. Obviously my upper body takes over and pulls/torques that leg. Any recommendations?
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