I switched to a strong single action grip and..

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Bonesy

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-stopped shanking
-stopped thinking about my pivot
-started to finally feel the club in my hands
-was able to hit fades and draws
-my hips stopped lunging down the fairway in front of my hands
-I got unstuck
-I was able to get the clubface around
-my short game improved

Guess my old grip was terrible. Dare say, I have a bit of a hand controlled pivot going on.
 
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Bonesy

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Neutral with a right hand that just wasn't attached very well.

My new grip also involves me putting my right pinky directly on top of my left index finger instead of in the gap next to the index finger. The joint near the fingertip of my right pinky notches over the large, main joint of my left index finger. I think Hogan did it this way. This grip makes it easier (for me) to around wrap the shift with the middle fingers of my right hand. The result is a more secure grip that relays pressure but allows me to really get after the ball without much fear of a terrible shot.
 
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dannyc

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Jim Kobylinski said:
I'm gonna go with crap....lol
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haha, true...true. i guess i thought he was gonna come with "strong double action", or "manz neutral." you know what i'm sayin...
Bonesy said:
Neutral with a right hand that just wasn't attached very well.

My new grip also involves me putting my right pinky directly on top of my left index finger instead of in the gap next to the index finger. The joint near the fingertip of my right pinky notches over the large, main joint of my left index finger. I think Hogan did it this way. This grip makes it easier (for me) to around wrap the shift with the middle fingers of my right hand. The result is a more secure grip that relays pressure but allows me to really get after the ball without much fear of a terrible shot.
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wow, cool. that's about all you can ask for a grip to do!

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Alright, I'll be the one to ask. What is a strong single action grip?
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oh, brother. tgm terminology. basically means if you "cock" your wrist, the club only has one "action," which is to raise up (think "most golfers" or "soft draw" grip). a strong double action, when cocked, will not only raise the club up, but also move it further away from the target (think "couples, duval, azinger, etc."). manzella neutral is (i believe) slightly weaker than ssa, with the clubface matching the back of the left hand.
 
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Bonesy said:
The joint near the fingertip of my right pinky notches over the large, main joint of my left index finger. I think Hogan did it this way.
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Nope, Hogan put it in the gap. "A word more about the little finger of the right hand. While it has been approved practice for quite some time to let the little finger ride sort of piggyback on top of the left forefinger, I would really advise you to hook that little finger in the groove between the forefinger and the big finger. It helps to keep the hands from slipping apart. It also gives me the good feeling that my hands are knitted vigorously together." Hogan-Five Lessons
 
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Bonesy

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You are correct. He says he has a higher right hand in Power Golf. He wraps his pinky around the knuckle of the index finger. My bad. I stole his "wrap" and turned into a "notch".
 
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Tball88

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Strong Single Action is a great grip, especially with the wedges and shorter irons. Easier to avoid flipping as well, as the strong single action makes it almost impossible to break down the left wrist.

Downside, you have to hold it off, any roll of the left arm and it's fore left.
 
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Tball88 said:
Strong Single Action is a great grip, especially with the wedges and shorter irons. Easier to avoid flipping as well, as the strong single action makes it almost impossible to break down the left wrist.

Downside, you have to hold it off, any roll of the left arm and it's fore left.
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Why does it make the left wrist almost impossible to break down?
 
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Lindsey Newman

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Matt F. said:
Nope, Hogan put it in the gap. "A word more about the little finger of the right hand. While it has been approved practice for quite some time to let the little finger ride sort of piggyback on top of the left forefinger, I would really advise you to hook that little finger in the groove between the forefinger and the big finger. It helps to keep the hands from slipping apart. It also gives me the good feeling that my hands are knitted vigorously together." Hogan-Five Lessons
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Could not agree more!
 
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Tball88

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Greenfree, below is a quote from Brian on a strong single action,

"because you CAN'T "flip" your wrist if you use a "perpendicular" left hand grip.

Perpendicular??

If your left hand is perpendicular to the leading edge.

Why?

Because you can only un-cock your wrist so far.

Get it?
 
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dbl

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Yes but look at Deadly's answer - fairly appropos for the thread topic. :D

But the $64 question regarding the OP's topic (to me) is How strong?

When I put the left thumb aft, as the book describes, the left is barely strong at all - like a "2 knuckle" grip. And the pics in the book for SSA seem similar. But I play with someone who's left is REALLY strong, like a "4 knuckle" grip - that left is really turned to the plane. So when the OP says he went to the SSA, I wonder to what degree he went.

Personally I also don't see why Kelley went with these particular wrist/grip classifications. I do think grip is quite important to the stroke, and so imagine he likely had to limit his grip types and design his nomenclature so he could round out the rest of the stroke actions he was describing.

Oh back to the topic....my trouble is actually with the right hand grip, and so the "single action" is the part that winds up giving me a grip that works with my swing. For me, it seems whether the hands are too strong or weak mainly just affects the face at impact and I can (generally) adjust that and find a happy position.
 
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dannyc

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Tball88 said:
Strong Single Action is a great grip, especially with the wedges and shorter irons. Easier to avoid flipping as well, as the strong single action makes it almost impossible to break down the left wrist.

Downside, you have to hold it off, any roll of the left arm and it's fore left.
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you mean strong double action?

Tball88 said:
Greenfree, below is a quote from Brian on a strong single action,

"because you CAN'T "flip" your wrist if you use a "perpendicular"left hand grip.

Perpendicular??

If your left hand is perpendicular to the leading edge.

Why?

Because you can only un-cock your wrist so far.

Get it?
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sda
dbl said:
When I put the left thumb aft, as the book describes, the left is barely strong at all - like a "2 knuckle" grip.
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that's probably ssa
dbl said:
And the pics in the book for SSA seem similar. But I play with someone who's left is REALLY strong, like a "4 knuckle" grip - that left is really turned to the plane.
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sda
 
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dbl

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Hey thanks Danny for the clarifications (at least on my parts) as that makes sense to me. My friend with the 'SDA' grip has a hammer action and if he rotates his arms ccw in the downswing he hooks it off the planet. All consistent....
 
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Brian Manzella

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I think my head is going to explode!!!!!!!!!

Stupid Book.

Damn.

Here the RIGHT WAY to classify the golfer's hold on the club.

1. How many hands on the club?

2. Where on the club grip is the golfer's grip?

3. Are they connected to each other? How are the connections accomplished.

4. Where in the each hand is the club? What ANGLE is the hand on relative to the shaft.

5. What is relationship of the back of the left hand to the clubface in degrees?

6. What is the relationship of the right wrist bones to the clubface in degrees?

That took me three minutes.
 
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Bonesy

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1. How many hands on the club? - 2

2. Where on the club grip is the golfer's grip? - the top, w/ nub sticking out of left hand (not buried)

3. Are they connected to each other? How are the connections accomplished. - yes, right pinky overlaps left index. end pinky knuckly clips over big index knuckle.

4. Where in the each hand is the club? What ANGLE is the hand on relative to the shaft. - wrists are parrellel to each other. left thumb and fingertips are about 45 degrees away from the top of the shaft in the aft side (90 degrees would be exactly aft)

5. What is relationship of the back of the left hand to the clubface in degrees? - square if unfolded

6. What is the relationship of the right wrist bones to the clubface in degrees? - square (if I am answering the question right, picturing a pin going in the wrist on the thumb side and coming out the pinky perpendicular to the unla and radius)

Not as strong as I thought, but boy was I weak before.
 
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