I Want to Teach Golf......Opinions Wanted

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So I want to become an instructor. I have long wanted to work for myself and be around the game of golf as much as possible. I have noticed quite the demand for good instruction at my club among a group of 20+ handicap guys. I have learned a great deal about the swing in the last 2 years and I know that I am years away from actually doing this, but the time to get started has come. I need to spend some more time with Brian to refine my own pattern and get my handicap down.

Can anyone tell me how this process works, what steps are involved, and how good I need to be?

Brian,

Jimmy K

Others?
 
Actually, this is my dream too... and I would love to hear some info on how to become an instructor. I have been working so hard on my game the past 2 years, I haven't taken the time to look up info on how to go about becoming an instructor.
My dad works at a golf coarse and one of the members sons is an instructor, and my dad was telling him that I am interested in becoming a teaching pro. He said its allot of hours and hard work, and you better love the game of golf. He left my dad with his number for me to call him, if I wanted more info, and he would help me out... but I haven't called him yet.:eek:
I'm interested in the info we will get on here though...
 
It would be fun but it seems like most good instructors NEVER PLAY THE GAME. No time to. That would not be fun...
 

Damon Lucas

Super Moderator
I play,
Brian plays,
Mike J plays,
Kevin plays,
If Mike F and Tom B don't play, they are insane with all their talent,

It's different around here....
 

Kevin Shields

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I agree. I think the old " I never play" is a copout. I still fall on the side that just believes a good instructor should, as Brian will and I will, take the club out of your hand and show you how.

As for becoming an instructor, be careful how you go about it. I had credibility as a player so I got hired at a good club. I had knowledge but no experience. You might take your lumps (as I still do) if you haven't seen enough (we're talking hundreds and hunreds) swings to know all the tendencies you run into.

My best advice is to go hang out with someone like Manzella and watch all day. Before I got serious about teaching I had received lessons and worked bagroom type jobs for several "Top 100" teachers. Cause I've learned through experience there is a TON more than swing knowledge that goes into teaching.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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My experience is unique and i've posted about it before but basically before the manzella matrix was the manzella matrix, i ended up going through the entire thing. First NSA, then NHA, then somewhere in the middle and i still bounce around depending on how i hit it which is the genious behind it.

I guess to be a good teacher you really need to be able to look at someone swinging the club, see the result in the ballflight and be able to tell from a few swings what the root cause is. Then once you know that root cause, it is your job to have the arsenal avaialble to give them a pattern that will erradicate it in a way that they can do or for that matter even ALLOW YOU to have them do.

I've had open face slicers who turned strong gripped flip hookers who i knew at the core, they needed a NSA type pattern at least initially to cure their problem but some of them won't let you change their grip. So you have to have the ability and knowledge to know what to make them do within the confines they've given you to help them.
 
I've had open face slicers who turned strong gripped flip hookers who i knew at the core, they needed a NSA type pattern at least initially to cure their problem but some of them won't let you change their grip. So you have to have the ability and knowledge to know what to make them do within the confines they've given you to help them.

good god... sounds more like baby sitting, than golf teaching...
 
Realistically................................

I am not planning to be the next Brian Manzella. I will not be able to do it full time and eat. For now I want to learn all I can while my own game improves. I want to do this part time in the near term, and maybe later I will have the student base to take it full time, but I have no interest in being an employee at some club.


Thanks for your thoughts.

JB
 

Michael Jacobs

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I play,
Brian plays,
Mike J plays,
Kevin plays,
If Mike F and Tom B don't play, they are insane with all their talent,

It's different around here....

Not too much golf this year Damon, all holes played up until yesterday were playing lessons only... maybe a total of 40 holes (i give a lot of one hour lessons on the course)

Yesterday I played my first 18 holer with a student at his private club and when we got to first tee I realized I had no golf balls, tees, and my sw was left in the practice bunker at my home golf school bunker
 
My experience is unique and i've posted about it before but basically before the manzella matrix was the manzella matrix, i ended up going through the entire thing. First NSA, then NHA, then somewhere in the middle and i still bounce around depending on how i hit it which is the genious behind it.

I guess to be a good teacher you really need to be able to look at someone swinging the club, see the result in the ballflight and be able to tell from a few swings what the root cause is. Then once you know that root cause, it is your job to have the arsenal avaialble to give them a pattern that will erradicate it in a way that they can do or for that matter even ALLOW YOU to have them do.

I've had open face slicers who turned strong gripped flip hookers who i knew at the core, they needed a NSA type pattern at least initially to cure their problem but some of them won't let you change their grip. So you have to have the ability and knowledge to know what to make them do within the confines they've given you to help them.

I like that.
 

Brian Manzella

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So I want to become an instructor. I have long wanted to work for myself and be around the game of golf as much as possible. I have noticed quite the demand for good instruction at my club among a group of 20+ handicap guys. I have learned a great deal about the swing in the last 2 years and I know that I am years away from actually doing this, but the time to get started has come. I need to spend some more time with Brian to refine my own pattern and get my handicap down.

Can anyone tell me how this process works, what steps are involved, and how good I need to be?

There are approximately 40,000 people that took money for golf lessons in the USA last year.

In my opinion, there are probably less than 50 really good teachers.

No kidding.

So, for someone looking to be around the game, help golfers, and make some money without having a real boss, you'd think that this was a no brainer.


"You'll never make any money unless your 'Daddy' 'owns' the Driving Range" —Don Villavaso​


Don is right of course. He always is.


Your "Daddy" is someone who WANTS you to succeed. Or NEEDS you to. Or, actually IS your Pop.

"Owns," as in—runs. Or has the deed in the ice box.​


You see, in the Golf Instruction business, there is one very LARGE problem.


You need a place to do it.​


I have ben teaching for 26 years now, and I fancy myself to be pretty good at it. On a bad day, I am safely inside that that "fiddy," according to anyone who knows anything, and doesn't have a horse in the race, or doesn't "dope the chalk" trying for a fix.

So?

Guess what?

I am STILL in the facility hunting business. I am as "facility independent" as anyone in golf instruction history outside of George Low, but I still am far from not looking for an upgrade.

The internet is really my facility, but at the end of the day, I still have to give the live lessons somewhere.

You could be the best dressed, best looking guy in the restaurant, but you are eating with a magazine as your date without a girl who says yes.

Mike Finney's nephew, Pete, was one of the top 5 teachers in the Shreveport area a few years ago. He had learned from Mike, myself, Ben, Tom, and Chris, and being a really good player as well, was on his way to level 3...when...

The range was sold, and he was looking for anyplace in the area to continue his practice.

No thanks, Pete. You out-taught us, made more money than us without working half the hours, etc. and we are going to let you die on the vine.

Pete plays poker for a living now.

Seriously.

So, you want to be a Golf Teacher.

Cool.

Where is #1 with a bullet.

After that, getting some supply is a strong second.

Lessons don't grow on trees at every golf facility. A busy range's lessons often go to whoever "owns the phones" or pays off the cashier.

Busy Country Clubs are full of Mrs. Fabershams, but...you have to spend 50 hours a week "guarding Titleists" before you can give lesson one.

You could have put David Leadbetter in the witness protection program in Louisville 10 years ago, without a place to teach, and he might be the manager of a Subway right now, or he wasn't still still parking carts, he be further from the cover of Golf Digest than I am from the cover of GQ. By a lot.

Still wanna teach?

A distant third is what to teach. Followed closely by how much to charge, and what kind of equipment you are going to utilize.

At the end of the day though, can you TEACH? Jim Kobylinski is a natural teacher. I was as well. There are guys and gals that know some pretty good stuff, but can't teach a fish to swim downstream.

It is a very rewarding profession. They slice and you fix? They smile, high-five, tip, and do backflips.

Nobody doing that for the Allstate salesman.

I love what I do.

If I wasn't wearing myself out flying all over dodge trying to become the Paula Dean of golf, I'd never have a bad day.

One of these days I am going into the "teacher training" business, but that won't be until I at least pass the Starland Vocal Band on the way to Elvis.

Josh, I'll help anyway I can. Call me anytime.

BriManz - 60 pounds and 5 Golf Digest covers from the cover of GQ.
 
There are approximately 40,000 people that took money for golf lessons in the USA last year.

In my opinion, there are probably less than 50 really good teachers.

No kidding.

So, for someone looking to be around the game, help golfers, and make some money without having a real boss, you'd think that this was a no brainer.


"You'll never make any money unless your 'Daddy' 'owns' the Driving Range" —Don Villavaso​


Don is right of course. He always is.


Your "Daddy" is someone who WANTS you to succeed. Or NEEDS you to. Or, actually IS your Pop.

"Owns," as in—runs. Or has the deed in the ice box.​


You see, in the Golf Instruction business, there is one very LARGE problem.


You need a place to do it.​


I have ben teaching for 26 years now, and I fancy myself to be pretty good at it. On a bad day, I am safely inside that that "fiddy," according to anyone who knows anything, and doesn't have a horse in the race, or doesn't "dope the chalk" trying for a fix.

So?

Guess what?

I am STILL in the facility hunting business. I am as "facility independent" as anyone in golf instruction history outside of George Low, but I still am far from not looking for an upgrade.

The internet is really my facility, but at the end of the day, I still have to give the live lessons somewhere.

You could be the best dressed, best looking guy in the restaurant, but you are eating with a magazine as your date without a girl who says yes.

Mike Finney's nephew, Pete, was one of the top 5 teachers in the Shreveport area a few years ago. He had learned from Mike, myself, Ben, Tom, and Chris, and being a really good player as well, was on his way to level 3...when...

The range was sold, and he was looking for anyplace in the area to continue his practice.

No thanks, Pete. You out-taught us, made more money than us without working half the hours, etc. and we are going to let you die on the vine.

Pete plays poker for a living now.

Seriously.

So, you want to be a Golf Teacher.

Cool.

Where is #1 with a bullet.

After that, getting some supply is a strong second.

Lessons don't grow on trees at every golf facility. A busy range's lessons often go to whoever "owns the phones" or pays off the cashier.

Busy Country Clubs are full of Mrs. Fabershams, but...you have to spend 50 hours a week "guarding Titleists" before you can give lesson one.

You could have put David Leadbetter in the witness protection program in Louisville 10 years ago, without a place to teach, and he might be the manager of a Subway right now, or he wasn't still still parking carts, he be further from the cover of Golf Digest than I am from the cover of GQ. By a lot.

Still wanna teach?

A distant third is what to teach. Followed closely by how much to charge, and what kind of equipment you are going to utilize.

At the end of the day though, can you TEACH? Jim Kobylinski is a natural teacher. I was as well. There are guys and gals that know some pretty good stuff, but can't teach a fish to swim downstream.

It is a very rewarding profession. They slice and you fix? They smile, high-five, tip, and do backflips.

Nobody doing that for the Allstate salesman.

I love what I do.

If I wasn't wearing myself out flying all over dodge trying to become the Paula Dean of golf, I'd never have a bad day.

One of these days I am going into the "teacher training" business, but that won't be until I at least pass the Starland Vocal Band on the way to Elvis.

Josh, I'll help anyway I can. Call me anytime.

BriManz - 60 pounds and 5 Golf Digest covers from the cover of GQ.


:cool:

Thanks for your thoughts, B, and your support.

Now, for lesson 2. When are you ever gonna be near Tulsa?
 
Bman, if you want to learn how to hug trees, I have a home for you in Bend:)

Great points!
Not too many guys get paid to hang a shingle at a club.
Not too many guys are allowed to hang a shingle at a club.
Normally, the teacher has to PAY the club a percentage of what they earn!
Typically, you have to "Guard the Titleists" to get the privelidge of teaching somewhere with any flow of students.

A lot of good points from some smart guys. You don't teach for the big cash rewards, you teach for the enjoyment of helping others. Too bad that doesn't feed your belly, only your soul.
 
why not put an add in the newspaper or craigslist advertising your services? charge a low fee and work at the student's preferred practice facility. that way you dont have to pay anyone and you can see if you really like doing it.
 
why not put an add in the newspaper or craigslist advertising your services? charge a low fee and work at the student's preferred practice facility. that way you dont have to pay anyone and you can see if you really like doing it.


That is where I'm gonna start.
 

Jim Kobylinski

Super Moderator
why not put an add in the newspaper or craigslist advertising your services? charge a low fee and work at the student's preferred practice facility. that way you dont have to pay anyone and you can see if you really like doing it.

Most practice facilities have their own teachers that PAY to teach there. They wouldn't like people to come there, give them no "rent" perse and make money WHILE taking away from the teachers who "pay the rent."

I will admit that i was guilty of this, however i was up front about it with my students and since i did not give many lessons (maybe 6-8 a month) i didn't find that i was taking money away from the facility because I was bringing the students their and not "stealing them away" from the teachers or Golftec.

Keep that in mind.
 
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