I would like to talk about Annika.....

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Jim Kobylinski

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I've been looking at her swing lately and have been really studying her downswing a lot.

Some things i find interesting:

- Her right shoulder comes down plane quite nicely. In the clip i have, it's pointing perfectly at the plane line.
- She has a decent amount of axis tilt, not a huge amount but enough to get the ball in the air.
- Something i noticed is she comes out of her tilt QUICKLY after impact and gets that "level shoulder" look every talks about. However her ball flight is basically straight

these are just some of the things i've noticed and am particularly interested in the 3rd thing above because my issue is losing my tilt in the downswing. She does it after impact and i do it slightly before impact. So i suffer from a pull because of it but she hits it relatively straight. It also seems like she moves left very quickly. Almost like her swing is a "modified version" of Never Hook Again.

Anyone want to comment?
 
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Tom Bartlett

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Axis tilt-you need axis tilt to get your shoulder on plane (2-H) not to hit the ball in the air.

And, after separation you can have a train wreck. The ball doesn't know. Constantino Rocca was as good as it gets to follow through and then wham! train wreck. The ball had no idea.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

Axis tilt-you need axis tilt to get your shoulder on plane (2-H) not to hit the ball in the air.

And, after separation you can have a train wreck. The ball doesn't know. Constantino Rocca was as good as it gets to follow through and then wham! train wreck. The ball had no idea.
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Thanks Tom

I didn't express myself correctly BUT it seems to me the more you "tilt" through impact the higher the ball goes no? Or is the height simply a function of the on plane right shoulder? Reason i ask is because i thought adjusting your "tilt" through impact is an advanced way to control trajectory or am i confusing the idea?

If the above is true about what you say after follow through then why does the "wedding ring up" position create better ball compression? The ball is "long go" isn't it?

Jim
 
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cdog

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Wouldnt ball height be affected mostly by speed and clubface layback angle?
Example, hooded low, layed back high.
 
vandal

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I think somewhere around here Brian once said, and it may be in the yellow book as well, to get more height add axis tilt.
 
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Tom Bartlett

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

quote:Originally posted by Tom Bartlett

Axis tilt-you need axis tilt to get your shoulder on plane (2-H) not to hit the ball in the air.

And, after separation you can have a train wreck. The ball doesn't know. Constantino Rocca was as good as it gets to follow through and then wham! train wreck. The ball had no idea.
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Thanks Tom

I didn't express myself correctly BUT it seems to me the more you "tilt" through impact the higher the ball goes no? Or is the height simply a function of the on plane right shoulder? Reason i ask is because i thought adjusting your "tilt" through impact is an advanced way to control trajectory or am i confusing the idea?

If the above is true about what you say after follow through then why does the "wedding ring up" position create better ball compression? The ball is "long go" isn't it?

Jim
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The things that affect trajectory...loft of the club, hinge action, ball position, plane angle. When you add axis tilt to achieve an on plane right shoulder you are in affect changing some of these variables.

Wedding ring up is to help someone achieve a flat left wrist and a correct hinge action through the impact interval. If Rocca didn't have the "train wreck" he would achieve the wedding ring up position.
But, you don't have to get to the position as long as you could have gotten to the position had you not done something to stop it. As opposed to the person who is flipping who never could have gotten there.
 
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I find this discussion interesting. For one thing, I am surprised to see her swing mentioned on a TGM type of site. She breaks so many of your "rules" that it's a wonder she can even break par, let alone be the best player in the world.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by Garth

I find this discussion interesting. For one thing, I am surprised to see her swing mentioned on a TGM type of site. She breaks so many of your "rules" that it's a wonder she can even break par, let alone be the best player in the world.
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Such as? Can't jump into a discussion and leave me hanging lol.

Tom...thanks for the response. Makes more sense to me now.
 
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She breaks no rules that I'm aware of.

(BTW...the only 3 "rules" in TGM are the 3 Imparatives)

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I'm curious- what you do you think we'd see as wrong in her swing....?
 
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BTW I have to say, I'm still a little lost on this Axis Tilt thing...

When I have no tilt everything goes lower and lefter.
 
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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

She breaks no rules that I'm aware of.

(BTW...the only 3 "rules" in TGM are the 3 Imparatives)

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I'm curious- what you do you think we'd see as wrong in her swing....?
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Sorry, I had a root canal and then about 8 beers in me yesterday when i was posting. :D
I guess my thinking was that because she picks her head up during impact that it would go against traditional teaching. I wouldn't have posted that if i were sober though, i dont' know TGM, so for me to refer to your "rules" makes almost no sense.[:eek:)]
 
vandal

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quote:Originally posted by Garth

I find this discussion interesting. For one thing, I am surprised to see her swing mentioned on a TGM type of site. She breaks so many of your "rules" that it's a wonder she can even break par, let alone be the best player in the world.
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She has and does receive coaching from a TGM AI, I believe.
 
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Brian Manzella

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You see,

99.9% of the 'golf world' THINKS that there is a Golfing Machine 'swing.'

Nope.

The ball only knows what the club is doing. Period.
 
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