If though it is COMPLETLELY WRONG, it might help somebody.

[Brian Manzella]

Even though it is COMPLETLELY WRONG, it might help somebody.

I after dinner tonight, a TGM-AI asked me what I thought of the idea that the HANDS start the downswing and then the hips (and/or pivot) then reacts.

THIS IS TOTAL AND COMPLETE BS.

I have a very fast reaction time, .2 sec when measured. If I start the downswing with my hands, even I'd be so far down and completely unslacked, when my hips and pivot started, it would be silly.

The 3D machine blew this up guys, let it go.

Now, if you want to say, "Feel like you start with your hands," that might help somebody.

 

[self-mastery]

As a toddler, I learned all I needed to know about the pivot by playing catch with my father.

 

[goley]

if you check out you tube and watch the swing vison you can really see this happening. Not to mention the pivot braking and transfer of momentum from the pivot to the arms.... pretty cool suff.. something that i have to work on in my own game.
I have yet to see a 3d machine ... cant wait til one come to my area

 

[jeffgladchun]

As a toddler, I learned all I needed to know about the pivot by playing catch with my father.

Great post. So true.

Some people don't like comparing movements from other sports to the golf swing, but I think there are a lot of similarities to be found in all athletic movements.

 

[Jayro1]

I after dinner tonight, a TGM-AI asked me what I thought of the idea that the HANDS start the downswing and then the hips (and/or pivot) then reacts.

In your NHA pattern, aren't you essentially doing that, by letting your arms drop and catching them with your pivot?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Good question...but...

In your NHA pattern, aren't you essentially doing that, by letting your arms drop and catching them with your pivot?

In "Never Hook Again" you HOLD (hover) your hands at the top while the pivot starts, THEN DROP IT on the ball.

 

[Jayro1]

I'll have to watch it again, it's been awhile.

 

[tank]

#4 accumulator

In "Never Hook Again" you HOLD (hover) your hands at the top while the pivot starts, THEN DROP IT on the ball.

Brian, should this feel as if I am using the pivot to really load and then fire the #4 accumulator? (I think I have the correct terminology)

Since been directed to your sight by a friend and watching your videos, I have been expirimenting with different feels, and I think that I finally fully understand what you mean by "whallop the ball with your pivot".

I feel like I can do this as hard as I want and everything just remains on plane without any effort.

Should I be concerned about overdoing this?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Brian, should this feel as if I am using the pivot to really load and then fire the #4 accumulator? (I think I have the correct terminology)

Yes you should feel more load there.

Since been directed to your sight by a friend and watching your videos, I have been expirimenting with different feels, and I think that I finally fully understand what you mean by "whallop the ball with your pivot".
I feel like I can do this as hard as I want and everything just remains on plane without any effort.

Should I be concerned about overdoing this?

Yes, make sure to not overdo how hard you "pivot." Remember, you don't need a tremendous "spin" of the pivot to create a lot of speed. You actually want to ALLOW IT to slow down around impact (search kinetic chain on this site). So make sure you don't get over zealous with how hard/fast you want to pivot to the left.

Remember to keep that right shoulder going down the the plane, if you pivot too fast to the left without enough tilt it will come in too high and you'll pull the shot.

 

[smooth]

A valid feel for some

Now, if you want to say, "Feel like you start with your hands," that might help somebody.

I know that i definately need to 'feel' starting with my hands. Otherwise i have a tendency for my hips to 'spin out' or my pivot to become too aggressive causing me to come over the top and pull the ball. 'Feeling' like i start down with my hands gets my timing back in sync, even though as you said in reality that is not what is happening.

I think therefore it is a valid feel for some people

 

[tank]

Yes you should feel more load there.



Yes, make sure to not overdo how hard you "pivot." Remember, you don't need a tremendous "spin" of the pivot to create a lot of speed. You actually want to ALLOW IT to slow down around impact (search kinetic chain on this site). So make sure you don't get over zealous with how hard/fast you want to pivot to the left.

Remember to keep that right shoulder going down the the plane, if you pivot too fast to the left without enough tilt it will come in too high and you'll pull the shot.

Thanks Jim.
I have read some on the "snapping of the kinetic chain", and think that I have a pretty good understanding.
I agree with you about being mindful of the tilt and not spinning out. But I feel that if I direct my pivot down, out and forward, while keeping that pressure on #4, the shoulder goes down plane, and the hips work correctly to get the snapping action before going around to the left. At least that's how it feels.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Thanks Jim.
I have read some on the "snapping of the kinetic chain", and think that I have a pretty good understanding.
I agree with you about being mindful of the tilt and not spinning out. But I feel that if I direct my pivot down, out and forward, while keeping that pressure on #4, the shoulder goes down plane, and the hips work correctly to get the snapping action before going around to the left. At least that's how it feels.

sounds good to me

 

[Vicious Circle]

Remember, you don't need a tremendous "spin" of the pivot to create a lot of speed. You actually want to ALLOW IT to slow down around impact,,,

Man, this is such good info. I wish I had learned this stuff in the first year I took up this game. Instead, I read stuff like "swing a club upside down and you should hear the whoosh loudest past the ball" causing me to literally spin right out.

I always wondered how tour pros could generate such high clubhead speeds yet manage to finish with that soft, easy look.

 

[speedracer68]

Yes you should feel more load there.



Yes, make sure to not overdo how hard you "pivot." Remember, you don't need a tremendous "spin" of the pivot to create a lot of speed. You actually want to ALLOW IT to slow down around impact (search kinetic chain on this site). So make sure you don't get over zealous with how hard/fast you want to pivot to the left.

Remember to keep that right shoulder going down the the plane, if you pivot too fast to the left without enough tilt it will come in too high and you'll pull the shot.

it's pure gold..i'm still trying to get this feel on every shot..i can get this with the short irons but when it comes to driver i miss a lot of fairways on the left..especially the ones the looong par 4's...i'm very close to getting consistent with it..in fact in my great driving days..the driver feels ohhhh sooo smoooth..=)

 

[self-mastery]

I find that a less rotational pivot is best for snapping my kinetic chain and putting on my pivot brakes. Think about how Jack use to drop his left foot and let everything spring through.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I find that a less rotational pivot is best for snapping my kinetic chain and putting on my pivot brakes. Think about how Jack use to drop his left foot and let everything spring through.

It does work well but you have to be careful how much you slow down or even if you consciously let it slow down. If you do it too much, you run the risk of the clubhead over-taking your hands too fast and hooking shots.

 

[pecky987]

like butch harmon says

'feel and real are seldom the same thing'

good one butch. hes no1 ranked for a reason. hes not ttally stupid

 

[Kevin Shields]

Yes you should feel more load there.



Yes, make sure to not overdo how hard you "pivot." Remember, you don't need a tremendous "spin" of the pivot to create a lot of speed. You actually want to ALLOW IT to slow down around impact (search kinetic chain on this site). So make sure you don't get over zealous with how hard/fast you want to pivot to the left.

Remember to keep that right shoulder going down the the plane, if you pivot too fast to the left without enough tilt it will come in too high and you'll pull the shot.

No doubt. I've played with alot of good players who told me they were working on "rotation".It looked like they were spinning like a top and hit alot of pulls and flares.

 

[matt kluck]

Not rotation

Pivot is not rotation. It is diagonal tilting in relation to the flat plane line that allows lag to enable force.

No doubt. I've played with alot of good players who told me they were working on "rotation".It looked like they were spinning like a top and hit alot of pulls and flares.

 

[matt kluck]

Kinetic Chain

Remember where the "kinetic chain" originates!!! Grounding the golf swing should be an imperitive!!!!