If you could meet Homer Kelley....

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Brian....

What would you say/ask...?

What would you tell him about your experiences....your own research....etc....? (with relation to or in addition to his book)
 

Brian Manzella

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First off...

I'd ask him what he would charge me to come watch me teach a typical full day of lessons.

We would go to dinner and I'd want to hear what he'd have to say.

:)

Of course I'd have many other questions and comments, and I'll elaborate more on this excellent question in a bit.
 

Brian Manzella

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What's funny....

Is how much of the book he would change if he was still with us and healthy.

The answer: A BUNCH.

I would love to find out about a few thing I think I know the answer to already, though.
 
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denny1953 said:
Mac O'Grady says Homer was 70% right.
He doesn't believe in hitting.
He doesn't believe in rt. arm takeaway
He thinks the book should have a bibliography.
He believes in some plane shift ,Homer liked shiftless.

MAC has a more complete pivot mapped out.


HERE IS A QUOTE MAC SAID:
I am not the man Homer was the man.

Interesting - do you think that Brian's 20% and Mac's 30% are in the same territory - ie . they agree on the bits that they would change?

I reckon they probably are - both founded in geometry but carried forward on what works for Humans.

I have often wondered whether Homer's oft quoted interest in hitting perhaps biased some of the book - trying to have unifying concepts for hitting and swinging when in reality they require different concepts. eg:-

Hitting needs more extensor action; Swingers need much less - the best pro swingers often demonstrate really soft arms especially in the downswing ( think Greg McHatton swing - arms look really soft )

Zero plane shift - maybe hitters can get away with less plane shift. Zero plane shift, level left wrist at impact and address and turned shoulder plane are not possible for most humans. Look at Dianne's photo when she set up at address on the turned shoulder plane ( 10-6-B #1) those wrists are not level at address! Plane shifts are needed if you abide by the alignments suggested.
 

Tom Bartlett

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I would ask Homer...

1. How much did writing the book improve or hurt your game?

2. What did you like more, teaching people golf or G.O.L.F.?

3. You got started in it for yourself...did you at some point think it was going to be lucrative?

4. Would you do it all over again? I believe I have heard his answer to this one and it was, no.

5. Who personally influenced what you did or didn't put in the book? I heard Ben had a great deal of influence.
 
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Brian Manzella

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A few more...

• What about clubs with the same amount of hookface built-in, like Ping Eye2's?

• What about Single frequency/Single Moment of Inertia clubs?

• Now that golf is all about POWER, what about putting the MAX PATTERN back in the book?
 
Brian Manzella said:
• What about clubs with the same amount of hookface built-in, like Ping Eye2's?

• What about Single frequency/Single Moment of Inertia clubs?

• Now that golf is all about POWER, what about putting the MAX PATTERN back in the book?

I agree - Homer's ideas showed evolution - 6 editions within 13 years! His original ideas would have been challenged by changes in clubs / courses and changes would have occured.

You often talk about the Ping eye 2s - is it the consistent sweet spot that you like - did the sweet spot in "olden" clubs really move that much and effect rate of clubhead squaring?

Do modern clubs do what pings did?
 

Brian Manzella

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Clubs.

golfbulldog said:
...did the sweet spot in "olden" clubs really move that much and effect rate of clubhead squaring?

Oh yeah!

The 2-iron's sweetspot was WAY closer to the shaft centerline than the wedge.

Since the sweetspot tries to "line itself up" with shaft (where the #3 pressure point is resting/feeling pressure) on the downswing, the wedge would close more—hence: "More Hook-Faced."

Do modern clubs do what pings did?[/QUOTE]

I am sure there are some, I know the Callaway X-12's did as well.
 
Brian Manzella said:
Oh yeah!

The 2-iron's sweetspot was WAY closer to the shaft centerline than the wedge.

Since the sweetspot tries to "line itself up" with shaft (where the #3 pressure point is resting/feeling pressure) on the downswing, the wedge would close more—hence: "More Hook-Faced."

I have heard Jackie Burke say that Ben Hogan used to address his driver off the heel etc - was that to align the sweet spot??

Does Tom Wishon talk about this stuff?

Thanks for the rapid replies !
 
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