If you want to play a fade ...
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Jared Willerson
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You could fade it with any of them, you'll just have to make some adjustments.
A great drill is hitting driver off the deck. It will teach you to swing lefter to get the ball in the air and should produce a fadeish type swing.
Never Hook Again is a good one.
A great drill is hitting driver off the deck. It will teach you to swing lefter to get the ball in the air and should produce a fadeish type swing.
Never Hook Again is a good one.
Jim Kobylinski
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never hook again would be your answer
Yes, you are utterly and completely wrong.
Just messing with ya.
Soft Fade was actually a separate pattern all to itself that hasn't been released to the public yet. What you posted was what Brian considered a very compatible hybrid pattern.
Here is something Brian posted awhile back regarding a baby fade type pattern.
"Up the wall" isn't for everyone.
Here is what I would suggest:
Make a "Baby Fade" pattern backswing.
1. Hands in (no pop-out) Soft Draw type takeaway, but without the LCT.
2. After the hands get as in as they are going to (about 3/4th of the way back), work the right arm under, somewhat more than a Soft Draw backswing, and do not try to cross the line intentionally.
3. Have your hips work UNDER your head throughout the backswing.
4. Weightless left foot halway back.
From there, allow the "unwind" to take the hands back toward the target line, enough to do the NHA downswing.
Wow, this is funny. After having tried both NHA and SD, I ended up in what feels like this combo described above. Been practicing it for a couple weeks and so far so good.
I end up with a slightly open face to a swing path left of the target. My divots are always left (sometime too left I suspect) unless I consciously think SD and move the path more towards the target in an attempt to draw. But the autopilot mode gives me a pretty straight to baby fade shot.
The swing seems Tom Watson-like in style which makes me think it might be a good long term pattern to develop. When I watch his takeaway and follow though I see alot of similarities.
Jared Willerson
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Baby Fade is what I was taught....a good pattern.
No PopOut backswing with right arm working under
Steeper hips and shoulders than Soft Draw and left arm is more in line with the shoulders.
No PopOut backswing with right arm working under
Steeper hips and shoulders than Soft Draw and left arm is more in line with the shoulders.
Interested in the fade vs draw theory, I'm a 52 year old 4 handicap rapidly heading to 5 and I've noticed a significant drop off in driving distance the last couple of years, - carry distance is around 230-240. I guess the main problem is reduced flexibility, elasticity and overall muscle mass ( seems like a rapid spiral dive after about 47 !) I'm working at hitting the ball with fade, - something I did years ago and wonder how that fits in with the mechanics of generating power, maintaining lag and generating clubhead speed. It would seem to me that by having the ball positioned closer to my left heel ensures I have a good pivot plus it means I can retain the lag longer and be less reliant on timing the release (there is no release - or flip as I'm holding the face square and hitting with the back of the left hand and palm of the right) Appreciate any comments, - maybe there's a better way !!
dschultz6072
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I think Brian posted a little while ago that fades and draws will travel the same distance, assuming you actually mirror the club path and center the hit. I'll try to find the post.
Jim Kobylinski
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Yes, theoretically; but often in practice the reason you want to play a fade is to purposely hit it higher and slightly shorter and similarly the reason you want to play a draw is to hit it further and slightly lower.
Now when optimized both will travel the exact same distance but it requires a lot of knowledge and practice to learn how to hit it straight/fade/draw with the right path/face/aoa to create the same distance.
gaspasser1
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Why "work the right arm under" in the backswing? I would think this would make your backswing flatter and attack more shallow, no? I may not be understanding this...
Jared Willerson
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Working the right arm under, especially in the baby fade pattern, insures a not too rotated left arm flying wedge. With the baby fade pattern you are working toward steeper shoulders and hips, if the lafw rotates too much there are a lot of bad things that can happen.
Jared Willerson
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Using this pattern, working the right arm under a little bit, keeps you from crossing the line.
curtisj76
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I'm with you.
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