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This past weekend I had an interesting experience that I thought I'd share with you all. On Sunday morning, my dad woke me up and told me he wasn't feeling well enough to go to the golf lesson he had scheduled. He asked me if I would go in his place since it was too late to cancel and the lesson had already been paid for.

I said yes, not wanting to decline the offer but having serious misgivings about the content of the lesson. As it turns out, my feelings of doubt were well justified.

The pro is a nice guy who used to teach at the course I worked at as a range picker. He's very charismatic and takes a lot of pride in his work. He's been at a new course for a couple years and has created a very nice instruction center there. He has a grass range, Trackman, V1, a spacious indoor teaching area and a small army of interns to do all the stuff he doesn't want to do. Great set-up, I think any pro would be happy to work there.

The lesson started with me hitting seven irons and him quietly watching me. Using the pattern Brian gave me (although it's deteriorated a little since March), I was hitting high shots that were straight as could be except for a little wind-induced tail. No immediate cause for concern, or so I thought.

After a dozen or so near-tour quality seven-irons, he said we need to go inside and get on camera. V1 time, he said. So we go inside and I hit a couple shots while he records my swing. He tells me to stop and look at the screen. Anybody want to guess what I saw?

Two red, parallel lines.

I just felt bad at this point. The rest of the lesson was spent getting me into the same busted swing I brought to Brian down at English Turn almost three months ago. Hands straight back. Rotate the face open. Right elbow tucked and connected. Basically the exact opposite of the pattern that has me hitting the ball longer, higher, and straighter than I ever have.

After the lesson was over, we shook hands and said goodbye. I went out to play, forgot everything I'd just been told and shot 71.

The thing is, I think the pro I saw has the ability to be what Brian calls an "A-/B+" teacher. He's extremely genuine, has an easy time connecting with people and conveying ideas, and has a passion for what he does. But, he's stuck within the confines of the parallel lines methodology. It's unfortunate.
 
Imagine how easy life would be if you were a doctor or lawyer and were able to prescribe the same cure, regardless of the problem. Life does not fit within the parallel lines either. My point is that approching every problem with a preset solution is grounds for disaster regardless of the profession. A lesson with Haney disciples ultimately leads to this type of instruction, I have been through it too, with similar results. I watched the Colonial this weekend and thought about how both Marino and Clark had swings that were very effective, but no one would ever teach either one. Why? Why do we still try to swing like a certain model? I would take Tim Clark's swing in a minute, particularly with the irons. I putt better than him, we would have won yesterday if it was a scramble.
 
Tim Clarks swing is aided unfortunately by his bad wrists. Bunts it around and is a very good putter.........Hopefully he will win someday. This one hurt.....
 
Imagine how easy life would be if you were a doctor or lawyer and were able to prescribe the same cure, regardless of the problem. Life does not fit within the parallel lines either. My point is that approching every problem with a preset solution is grounds for disaster regardless of the profession. A lesson with Haney disciples ultimately leads to this type of instruction, I have been through it too, with similar results. I watched the Colonial this weekend and thought about how both Marino and Clark had swings that were very effective, but no one would ever teach either one. Why? Why do we still try to swing like a certain model? I would take Tim Clark's swing in a minute, particularly with the irons. I putt better than him, we would have won yesterday if it was a scramble.

Tim Clark sure looks like a Stack and Tilter in a lot of areas, could be that he works on the model
 

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TC says he's totally self taught. What with his funny wrists, he says 'who could teach me'?

That hooked 3w on the 72nd was unusual, as he he can't supinate the left wrist. He says he basically never goes left.
 
TC says he's totally self taught. What with his funny wrists, he says 'who could teach me'?

That hooked 3w on the 72nd was unusual, as he he can't supinate the left wrist. He says he basically never goes left.

In best Kung Foo master voice

"D-Plane says many ways to hook ball without supination"

;)
 

dbl

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2007 Colonial, perhaps too long ago, but I doubt that left heel lift could be done with Stack and Tilt.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmWw4kBaqUc[/media]
 
I have also heard "somewhere" that Clark uses stack and tilt. I didn't look like it at Colonial to me, it's hard to tell from the back though.
 
I'm not allowed to post attachments anymore.

Big brother's got me on lockdown.

Otherwise, I'd put some pics up. Watch the tilts, knees, and centers. It's not so much about the weight.
 

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This past weekend I had an interesting experience that I thought I'd share with you all. On Sunday morning, my dad woke me up and told me he wasn't feeling well enough to go to the golf lesson he had scheduled. He asked me if I would go in his place since it was too late to cancel and the lesson had already been paid for.

I said yes, not wanting to decline the offer but having serious misgivings about the content of the lesson. As it turns out, my feelings of doubt were well justified.

The pro is a nice guy who used to teach at the course I worked at as a range picker. He's very charismatic and takes a lot of pride in his work. He's been at a new course for a couple years and has created a very nice instruction center there. He has a grass range, Trackman, V1, a spacious indoor teaching area and a small army of interns to do all the stuff he doesn't want to do. Great set-up, I think any pro would be happy to work there.

The lesson started with me hitting seven irons and him quietly watching me. Using the pattern Brian gave me (although it's deteriorated a little since March), I was hitting high shots that were straight as could be except for a little wind-induced tail. No immediate cause for concern, or so I thought.

After a dozen or so near-tour quality seven-irons, he said we need to go inside and get on camera. V1 time, he said. So we go inside and I hit a couple shots while he records my swing. He tells me to stop and look at the screen. Anybody want to guess what I saw?

Two red, parallel lines.

I just felt bad at this point. The rest of the lesson was spent getting me into the same busted swing I brought to Brian down at English Turn almost three months ago. Hands straight back. Rotate the face open. Right elbow tucked and connected. Basically the exact opposite of the pattern that has me hitting the ball longer, higher, and straighter than I ever have.

After the lesson was over, we shook hands and said goodbye. I went out to play, forgot everything I'd just been told and shot 71.

The thing is, I think the pro I saw has the ability to be what Brian calls an "A-/B+" teacher. He's extremely genuine, has an easy time connecting with people and conveying ideas, and has a passion for what he does. But, he's stuck within the confines of the parallel lines methodology. It's unfortunate.

It is frustrating. I love the stat here that Jim Furyk has the best ball striking per Trackman.
 
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