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kc8kir

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Booooom! Had a great day at the range today and thought I'd post an impact capture. A little flippy on some of the not so great shots, but the good shots were just solid. Gotta get that flip to stop creeping in... grrrrr...

Even the driver was working today! :D

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While I'm here, might as well ask a question. When you produce this much lag, is just a matter of keeping the pivot aggressive enough so the release doesn't occur too soon? Is there something I can practice to help my coordination to impact from this position?

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holeout

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I'd like to see a narrower stance and the right knee much closer to the left knee at impact. Looks like you fight some pivot stalling on the downswing.
 
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Narrow your stance to about shoulder width. It also looks like you are sliding the hips more than you are rotating them. Here is a Ben Hogan YouTube where he talks about hip turn. Check it out.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0[/media]
 
vjsinger

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Feet should be slightly wider than the hips, not the shoulders. If I had my feet slightly wider than my shoulders I'd look like I was trying to, well it would look goofey. My shoulders are really wide. The whole my feet need to be wider for a good base is not good advice IMO. The feet need to be as wide as they need to be to allow mobility and stability NOT just stability.


BTW: Impact looks good, besides the stance width.
 
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Not necessarily. The width of people's shoulders versus their hips varies quite a bit. For instance, I would imagine that Dustin Johnson's and Paul Goydos' hip width is similar. Now compare their shoulder widths. Big difference.

I agree with VJ. Inside of my feet to outside of my shoulders doesn't feel athletic and I would have no chance of getting right knee to the left knee in the downswing finish without dragging my left toe forward.
 
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willgolfer

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I do what Chip recommends (feet outside hips) which puts them "about" shoulder width, and gives me that balanced feeling. Feet "outside" shoulder width feels unnatural. Just inside that is about right when I'm hitting driver.
 
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kc8kir

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<a href="http://s650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/kc8kir/Impact%20Photo/?action=view&current=setup-downhill-3w.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu227/kc8kir/Impact%20Photo/setup-downhill-3w.jpg" border="0" alt="Setup"></a>

Here is where that swing started. The shot, 3 wood, was a downhill lie (they had moved the ropes forward to a bad spot at the range, but it was all I had to work with). As such the ball is quite a bit back from where I play for a flat lie, which would be more off the left heel (resulting in much less shaft lean).

Funny yall say to decrease the stance width. I went to the range yesterday specifically with the thought of widening it a bit. Maybe I overdid it.
 
Richie3Jack

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I think you feet are fine as far as how far apart they are. I just don't like that right foot action and right knee action. I think that's a big reason why when you're off, you flip. But that first pic of you at impact is a real peach.




3JACK
 
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kc8kir

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Work on keeping the right foot more down and letting the knee bend in rather than a standup move off the right foot? Less up, more hip turn and crunch?
 
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kc8kir said:
Work on keeping the right foot more down and letting the knee bend in rather than a standup move off the right foot? Less up, more hip turn and crunch?
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You'd have to be Moe Norman to do this with a stance that wide. Good looking move though.
 
Richie3Jack

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Kevin Shields said:
You'd have to be Moe Norman to do this with a stance that wide. Good looking move though.
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I disagree.

If he gets some more knee flex in both knees into the downswing and uses the ground to push off of more, his right foot will be down *more* than it is now. The left knee flex makes it a lot easier to get the right foot down coming into impact. Straighten out the left knee, the heel is more likely to come up off the ground. Personally, I focus more on my right foot and right knee flex in the downswing...if I operate those correctly then everything usually falls into place.




3JACK
 
vjsinger

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Richie3Jack said:
I disagree.

If he gets some more knee flex in both knees into the downswing and uses the ground to push off of more, his right foot will be down *more* than it is now. The left knee flex makes it a lot easier to get the right foot down coming into impact. Straighten out the left knee, the heel is more likely to come up off the ground. Personally, I focus more on my right foot and right knee flex in the downswing...if I operate those correctly then everything usually falls into place.




3JACK
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How does the foot action you describe affect axis tilt(right side bend) and head position in the DS? Do you believe the OP needs more tilt?
 
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kc8kir

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Full sequence. Made from the video.

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Richie3Jack said:
I disagree.

If he gets some more knee flex in both knees into the downswing and uses the ground to push off of more, his right foot will be down *more* than it is now. The left knee flex makes it a lot easier to get the right foot down coming into impact. Straighten out the left knee, the heel is more likely to come up off the ground. Personally, I focus more on my right foot and right knee flex in the downswing...if I operate those correctly then everything usually falls into place.




3JACK
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I agree that he can accomplish what you're advocating through more knee flex. The thing is, the right foot coming off the ground isn't the problem.

Pivot stalling is his problem. And what you're advocating doesn't solve that problem, plus it severely limits his ability to do both the Run Up and the Jump effectively.

Not trying to be critical, just wanting to add to the conversation. :)
 
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See impact - frame 8

holeout said:
Pivot stalling is his problem.
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I agree. Hips and shoulders are both virtually parallel to the target line at impact.

A less wide stance would facilitate a better pivot and allow the hips to open more before impact.
 
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kc8kir

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So the pivot is stalling. Definitely would explain why sometimes my short irons are spectacular, and other times it's like I lose all control of them.

Question, how do you train to not stall the pivot, but still snap the chain? Isn't the chain snap a timed stall?

Looking for a suggestion here on what to practice to eliminate the stall and keep this action working.
 
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