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[shootin4par]

I dont hear much about the role of the left hand heal pad pushing down on the butt end of the shaft to get the club to set on the way back. In doing this wouldnt it take care of extensor action?
The left hand only swing, which Daly does pretty well with, does the exact thing

 

[Michael Finney]

perhaps...

you don't hear about it because it is not a pressure point....

the extending action goes through your right forearm, out your right hand life line, through the left thumb, to the grip....just my 1 cent

 

[shootin4par]

so your saying the heal pad pushing on the but end of the club does nothing in the swing, then what sets the club in a left arm only swing?

 

[ldeit]

This sounds like the discussion of Extensor Action, is it a push or pull. I like to use a stretch of the left arm with the right hand to avoid the push/pull feel difference.

You cock the left wrist by bending right arm, TGM, per Mike.

That said, some will feel the left wrist cock upwards, left thumb toward the forearm (could be called a pull as the motion is coming toward the body) AND others will feel the left wrist cock as a result of the left heel pad pressure down on the handle (could be called a push as the motion is moving away from the body).

The first, I believe, is more common but the second can be felt also. It is how you view the motion.

Lee

 

[Michael Finney]

so your saying the heal pad pushing on the but end of the club does nothing in the swing, then what sets the club in a left arm only swing?

well, i'll say this.....your hands have one role in the golf swing....hold on

there is a slight extensor action coming through the right arm to give your swing a constant width...

as far as what "sets" the club in a left arm only swing or any swing for that matter.....i feel that it's the weight of the clubhead and shaft that "set" the left wrist because the hands are merely holding on and the wrists are acted upon.....

as far as the left heel pad, i feel no addition or subtraction to the pressure that the left heel pad feels against the grip during the swing...now there may be a change in pressure, but i don't feel it...or truthfully, desire it....

i can honestly say that just "holding on" to the grip is one of the things that allows my body to become a machine....two way actuators...adjustable clamps...

see the fiddle drill.....see a ben doyle lesson

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

so your saying the heal pad pushing on the but end of the club does nothing in the swing, then what sets the club in a left arm only swing?

The bending of the left arm and conscious cocking of your left wrist begins to set the club and then you can let the weight of the head do the rest.

 

[shootin4par]

The bending of the left arm and conscious cocking of your left wrist begins to set the club and then you can let the weight of the head do the rest.

The bending of the left arm? DId you mean right arm?

what I notice if I do dont push out the left hand I tend to get the club more around my body and the right elbow goes a little deep, and I can cross the line at the top.
If I push with the left heal pad it keeps it the club more out in front of my chest and I dont get so deep.

 

[birdie_man]

well, i'll say this.....your hands have one role in the golf swing....hold on

there is a slight extensor action coming through the right arm to give your swing a constant width...

as far as what "sets" the club in a left arm only swing or any swing for that matter.....i feel that it's the weight of the clubhead and shaft that "set" the left wrist because the hands are merely holding on and the wrists are acted upon.....

as far as the left heel pad, i feel no addition or subtraction to the pressure that the left heel pad feels against the grip during the swing...now there may be a change in pressure, but i don't feel it...or truthfully, desire it....

i can honestly say that just "holding on" to the grip is one of the things that allows my body to become a machine....two way actuators...adjustable clamps...

see the fiddle drill.....see a ben doyle lesson

Great post Mike.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

The bending of the left arm? DId you mean right arm?

what I notice if I do dont push out the left hand I tend to get the club more around my body and the right elbow goes a little deep, and I can cross the line at the top.
If I push with the left heal pad it keeps it the club more out in front of my chest and I dont get so deep.

No, i mean left arm. You asked what cocks the club in a "left arm ONLY" swing.

I let the left arm bend and consciously cock my left wrist.

 

[Burner]

so your saying the heal pad pushing on the but end of the club does nothing in the swing, then what sets the club in a left arm only swing?

shootin',

Daly's in particular, along with many others, backswing goes way past the point when there can be ANY pressure on the butt end of the club that is exerted by his left hand heal pad. Indeed, there has to be a gap between the two items in question.

The left hand heal pad only serves to add structure to the grip assembly. The "set on the way back" to which you refer is occasioned by the right elbow bend causing the left wrist to cock: at which point the left thumb would assume authority for the stability of the assembly at the end of the backswing, supported in this endeavour by the "waiters tray" aspect of the right hand.

 

[Brian Manzella]

I fixed 'em

I talked to Neil (shootin) on the phone...

He had a GREAT question:

"How to you get the arms to not go TOO FAR behind you?"​

Neil had the problem becuase in the type of motion he was using before the hands went up the plane by themselves, and now with an "orthodox" pivot, he had gotten the arms too far behind him becuase BOTH the handsa AND the pivot were supplying the IN.

Double-IN!

In an OTHODOX golf swing, the Pivot turnes and the arms LIFT, the very essence of a NORMAL golf swing. That's why EVERY HALL-OF-FAMER in history had a swing where their shoulders turned on one plane and their arms on another.

Neil simply has to LIFT his arms out and away from him the proper amount and on the proper path (about 45° OUTSIDE the plane line) and BLEND THEM into a PERFECT BACKSWING.

These two very different motions: done in 3 Different sequences, account for every backswing you'll ever see.

Nelson, Littler, Nicklaus, Woods: BLEND

Floyd: turn THEN LIFT

Barber, Furyk: LIFT then turn

 

[shootin4par]

brian, your explanations are too simple and easy to understand, can you give me the complicated version?
thanks again

 

[swingeasttowest]

Arms

Brian, Hall of Fame Post. You nailed it. r

I talked to Neil (shootin) on the phone...

He had a GREAT question:

"How to you get the arms to not go TOO FAR behind you?"​

Neil had the problem becuase in the type of motion he was using before the hands went up the plane by themselves, and now with an "orthodox" pivot, he had gotten the arms too far behind him becuase BOTH the handsa AND the pivot were supplying the IN.

Double-IN!

In an OTHODOX golf swing, the Pivot turnes and the arms LIFT, the very essence of a NORMAL golf swing. That's why EVERY HALL-OF-FAMER in history had a swing where their shoulders turned on one plane and their arms on another.

Neil simply has to LIFT his arms out and away from him the proper amount and on the proper path (about 45° OUTSIDE the plane line) and BLEND THEM into a PERFECT BACKSWING.

These two very different motions: done in 3 Different sequences, account for every backswing you'll ever see.

Nelson, Littler, Nicklaus, Woods: BLEND

Floyd: turn THEN LIFT

Barber, Furyk: LIFT then turn

 

[Brian Manzella]

Brian, Hall of Fame Post. You nailed it. r

>>>pretty smart, eh?<<<

Thanks, Swing!

 

[Jared Willerson]

I talked to Neil (shootin) on the phone...

He had a GREAT question:

"How to you get the arms to not go TOO FAR behind you?"​

Neil had the problem becuase in the type of motion he was using before the hands went up the plane by themselves, and now with an "orthodox" pivot, he had gotten the arms too far behind him becuase BOTH the handsa AND the pivot were supplying the IN.

Double-IN!

In an OTHODOX golf swing, the Pivot turnes and the arms LIFT, the very essence of a NORMAL golf swing. That's why EVERY HALL-OF-FAMER in history had a swing where their shoulders turned on one plane and their arms on another.

Neil simply has to LIFT his arms out and away from him the proper amount and on the proper path (about 45° OUTSIDE the plane line) and BLEND THEM into a PERFECT BACKSWING.

These two very different motions: done in 3 Different sequences, account for every backswing you'll ever see.

Nelson, Littler, Nicklaus, Woods: BLEND

Floyd: turn THEN LIFT

Barber, Furyk: LIFT then turn

That post helps me a TON thanks Brian, Thanks for the question S4P.

 

[Ripper]

same problem

Brian - I had a similar problem until you showed me the Up The Wall backswing in Louisville. Now I feel the arms lift but if I'm not careful the right elbow can still get too far behind me. Need more help from the master!

 

[birdie_man]

I talked to Neil (shootin) on the phone...

He had a GREAT question:

"How to you get the arms to not go TOO FAR behind you?"​

Neil had the problem becuase in the type of motion he was using before the hands went up the plane by themselves, and now with an "orthodox" pivot, he had gotten the arms too far behind him becuase BOTH the handsa AND the pivot were supplying the IN.

Double-IN!

In an OTHODOX golf swing, the Pivot turnes and the arms LIFT, the very essence of a NORMAL golf swing. That's why EVERY HALL-OF-FAMER in history had a swing where their shoulders turned on one plane and their arms on another.

Neil simply has to LIFT his arms out and away from him the proper amount and on the proper path (about 45° OUTSIDE the plane line) and BLEND THEM into a PERFECT BACKSWING.

These two very different motions: done in 3 Different sequences, account for every backswing you'll ever see.

Nelson, Littler, Nicklaus, Woods: BLEND

Floyd: turn THEN LIFT

Barber, Furyk: LIFT then turn

Double IN...

I like it....(the term)....

K...

So changing the pivot to make it 1x IN would not be what you'd want to do I guess?

 

[ThomasTheTank]

Neil simply has to LIFT his arms out and away from him the proper amount and on the proper path (about 45° OUTSIDE the plane line) and BLEND THEM into a PERFECT BACKSWING.

This is interesting .. trying to visualise this ... is one way to see it that you would feel the arms lifting the club almost away and in front of you (i.e the clubhead would stay intially on a line drawn directly back from the ball) whilst the shoulders turned in..getting that 45 degree seperation between the turn and the lift?

This seems to go against all those connection theories of keeping the arms and the chest together .. something I think gets me way too flat, the double in motion as S4P