Inside aft and swinging left
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Brian Manzella
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Hope this helps:
Sonic_Doom
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For someone that swings too far to the right and hooks it, would a flatter arc (arc shown in the clock picture) tend to correct the hook a bit? Again, from the overhead view as in the clock picture, a more upright swing plane and shallower arc would produce less hook action than a flattish plane and more rounded arc?
Jim Kobylinski
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Why do you believe the arc show in the picture is "flat?"
golfbulldog
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3 dimensions ?
What factors govern the shape / dimensions of the curved path through the impact interval....
assuming Flat left wrist and Swinging (ie. centrifugal force etc)
What features of a curved path in 3D can be measured?
Radius of curvature
Angle of incline of the curve ( ie. plane angle)
but the two are not dependent on eachother...?? maybe ???
Does the radius of curvature have an effect on the rate of clubhead closing?? if using centrigugal throw out force to realease everything?
What factors govern the shape / dimensions of the curved path through the impact interval....
assuming Flat left wrist and Swinging (ie. centrifugal force etc)
What features of a curved path in 3D can be measured?
Radius of curvature
Angle of incline of the curve ( ie. plane angle)
but the two are not dependent on eachother...?? maybe ???
Does the radius of curvature have an effect on the rate of clubhead closing?? if using centrigugal throw out force to realease everything?
Sonic_Doom
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I don't, just the opposite. I butchered my question a bit trying to distinguish the clubhead arc from the arc in the pic. I could have asked "if the arc in the picture was flatter, would that result in less hook tendency?"
I was just trying to understand the effect of a steeper clubhaft plane on the tendency to hook vs a flatter clubshaft plane. Both will result in different arcs from a visual perspective i.e. the golfers view from above.
Hope I'm not causing more unnecessary confusion,,,
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Michael Jacobs
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Great Picture! 2 - J - 3 The inclined plane as it appears on the ground!
golfbulldog
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don't put your ball at 12 o'clock...
impact is an in-to-out motion... i think that low point is at twelve...ball a couple of minutes after 12...
Here is an image which I constructed of Aaron Baddeley's clubhead swingarc.
See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/AB-Arc.jpg
Jeff.
See - http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/AB-Arc.jpg
Jeff.
Brian Manzella
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The questions....
Would a "sharper curve" ala Ben Hogan, make it more or less likely to hook the ball?
If the face is staying "square" to the path (which I am NOT saying happens all the time by any stretch), it is CLOSING less quickly.
So for ANY given rate of "open and closing to the path" there is LESS with a "sharper curve."
So what?
Either you are an ELBOW PLANEr or a TURNED SHOULDER PLANEr, and you either have a Narrow or Wide Pivot, you have a ceratin release point, you have a certain hinge action. This is what produces the ARC!!
BUT THERE IS ALWAYS AN ARC!!! ....unless you buy in to that "if you swing out to right field a certain way the ball will fly stright crap."
Would a "sharper curve" ala Ben Hogan, make it more or less likely to hook the ball?
If the face is staying "square" to the path (which I am NOT saying happens all the time by any stretch), it is CLOSING less quickly.
So for ANY given rate of "open and closing to the path" there is LESS with a "sharper curve."
So what?
Either you are an ELBOW PLANEr or a TURNED SHOULDER PLANEr, and you either have a Narrow or Wide Pivot, you have a ceratin release point, you have a certain hinge action. This is what produces the ARC!!
BUT THERE IS ALWAYS AN ARC!!! ....unless you buy in to that "if you swing out to right field a certain way the ball will fly stright crap."
Brian Manzella
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Good Question...
Interesting point/quesion Mr. Mike!
The clubhead ACTUALLY CONTACTS the ball BELOW the equator on the inside-aft quadrant, BUT this is because of LOFT!!
If that same golf, with the EXCAT SAME PATTERN, had a ZERO LOFTED CLUB, it would hit ABOVE the equator!
Soooooo.....Should the golfer also monitor the loft?
Hmmmmm....
Personally, I have done it both ways, and not at all.
Interesting point/quesion Mr. Mike!
The clubhead ACTUALLY CONTACTS the ball BELOW the equator on the inside-aft quadrant, BUT this is because of LOFT!!
If that same golf, with the EXCAT SAME PATTERN, had a ZERO LOFTED CLUB, it would hit ABOVE the equator!
Soooooo.....Should the golfer also monitor the loft?
Hmmmmm....
Personally, I have done it both ways, and not at all.
Mike Olberding
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Bigwill
That's right Brian and since Bigwill hasn't responded yet- I was guessing from his post that he was trying to hit the inside, aft, below the equator location where the face contacts the ball- which I think would cause a problem. I would assume that if you are just focusing on the lagging club- i.e. the sweetspot - hitting down on the ball then as a player you are always (disregarding unusual situations) going to be sensing the downward club - your contact point would always seem to be above the equator- as if there is no loft- since clubhead lag doesn't sense loft.
Brian, I would like to know in what sense/perspective you were saying that you could monitor the loft.
Thanks,
Mike
That's right Brian and since Bigwill hasn't responded yet- I was guessing from his post that he was trying to hit the inside, aft, below the equator location where the face contacts the ball- which I think would cause a problem. I would assume that if you are just focusing on the lagging club- i.e. the sweetspot - hitting down on the ball then as a player you are always (disregarding unusual situations) going to be sensing the downward club - your contact point would always seem to be above the equator- as if there is no loft- since clubhead lag doesn't sense loft.
Brian, I would like to know in what sense/perspective you were saying that you could monitor the loft.
Thanks,
Mike
Brian Manzella
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It is something I do with my wedges for mid sole, and trailing edge turf contact.
I have a technique to accomplish monitoring this, but I'd need to do a video to explain it well.
I have a technique to accomplish monitoring this, but I'd need to do a video to explain it well.
Sorry about that, Mike. Been a long weekend; I didn't even notice that it was my post you quoted!
Actually, when looking at the inside-aft quadrant, I'm generally looking at the part of the ball I can see, so I guess it's above the equator. My problem is that if I look inside-aft, I tend to keep swinging out to the right. I almost feel better off looking at the back of the ball (I know, I know). That's why I asked about the clubhead moving left after low point, even when focusing on the inside-aft quadrant on the way down.
Actually, when looking at the inside-aft quadrant, I'm generally looking at the part of the ball I can see, so I guess it's above the equator. My problem is that if I look inside-aft, I tend to keep swinging out to the right. I almost feel better off looking at the back of the ball (I know, I know). That's why I asked about the clubhead moving left after low point, even when focusing on the inside-aft quadrant on the way down.
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Mike Olberding
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Inside Aft- Or Back of the ball
Bigwill,
Inside Aft could be worse than back of the ball- so don't feel it's some cardinal sin to hit the back of the ball- after all inside aft is say only a dimple or two in from the back of the ball. So you are closer to the back than you are the inside. However, in regards to your swing- can't go to much further "theorizing"- you'd need to post a video for Brian or someone to comment on.
Good Luck with the game!
Bigwill,
Inside Aft could be worse than back of the ball- so don't feel it's some cardinal sin to hit the back of the ball- after all inside aft is say only a dimple or two in from the back of the ball. So you are closer to the back than you are the inside. However, in regards to your swing- can't go to much further "theorizing"- you'd need to post a video for Brian or someone to comment on.
Good Luck with the game!
Thanks, Mike.
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