Interchangeable and Non-Interchangeable Components

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scandres

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I'm interested in what you think are the most interchangeable, and most non-interchangeable components as it relates to real world teaching.

Aren't the components the basis for Hardy's work, swinging (2 plane) and hitting (1 plane)?

One of the my favorite lines from the book-
"Incompatible Components require either correction, compensation or compassion."
 
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dbl

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quote:Originally posted by scandres

I'm interested in what you think are the most interchangeable, and most non-interchangeable components as it relates to real world teaching.
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How about "real world golfing"?

quote:Aren't the components the basis for Hardy's work, swinging (2 plane) and hitting (1 plane)?
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I always wonder about SP being assigned as hitting. I'd think it was body powered. (But I don't bother getting into Hardy much)
 
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Impact Address and Standard Wrist Action is a no-go more or less.

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As for Hardy...

If you look at most of his recommendations and cautions most of it just has to do with his own recommendations.....a lot of the recommendations really really don't make sense to me.

http://www.golfdigest.com/search/index.ssf?/instruction/gd200505swingplane4.html

i.e. ONLY a strongish grip for a "1P" swing.....for whatever reason lol.....

The thing is, he goes on to talk about how Hogan was a "one-planer"....well Hogan didn't have a strong grip. So it's far from an incompatability.

There's lots of exceptions to his rules really.
 
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Aren't the components the basis for Hardy's work, swinging (2 plane) and hitting (1 plane)?

My interpretation has the Hardy 1ps closer to swinging procedure. Essentilaly, the arms responding to the shoulder turn/core, a pull feel.
 
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dbl

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TD, that was my understanding, so that's why I have been confused about why it might be referred to as hitting in some fora. I think people have mistakenly gone with the idea that it is a simple proceudre so 1P must be hitting.

Well, other incompatible components....how about Standard address and RFT?
 
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bantamben1

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hogan swung on the inclined plane and had a weak grip wich leads to a low ball flight. if you have a weak grip and want to hit it higher you need to stand the shaft up in the backswing like miller or nicklaus
 
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rundmc

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quote:Originally posted by bantamben1

hogan swung on the inclined plane and had a weak grip wich leads to a low ball flight. if you have a weak grip and want to hit it higher you need to stand the shaft up in the backswing like miller or nicklaus
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Why does the "weak grip" lead to a low ball flight?
 
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That's not true neccessarily from what I've found.

Not as a rule anyway.....and actually, if I had to put it one way I would say a weak grip will hit higher.....that's what I've found anyway.

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Stong grip makes it easier to have forward lean...and more forward lean......possibly easier to have lag....IMO.

Having said that though....I like close to a "matching" (clubface and flat left wrist) grip mostly.....I actually find it helpful that it makes you have more Swivel....especially for full swings.......and there's less of a draw tendency.

Sometimes go stronger....in certain situations....for certain shots I mean.
 
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I know I know.....

It's not totally INCOMPATIBLE......i.e. plain don't work....I.E. Zero Pivot and Standard Hip Action or w/e.

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I just know it doesn't work well. Close to completely incompatible I think. It's awkward.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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again FOR YOU

i can demonsrate a shoulder turn takeaway with standard wrist action with adjusted address or i can start at ipmact fix and use a right forearm pickup with standard wrist action and i'll hit the ball fine both ways.
 
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I can hit the ball pretty decent....pretty decent compression......but I just find it awkward.....the hands forward, then the Swivel....yuck. Just doesn't seem to fit...

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Maybe that's just for me right. :) ....maybe it would work better on a steeper plane....RFP like you said.....might need to do an experiment with that.

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....man I dunno tho Jim.....it just doesn't seem right....I dunno why anyone would want to really do it. Maybe it's not "INCOMPATIBLE".....but damn man......I just think it's a weird thing to do.

I really should experiment with this more before I keep talking though.
 
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bantamben1

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quote:Originally posted by rundmc

quote:Originally posted by bantamben1

hogan swung on the inclined plane and had a weak grip wich leads to a low ball flight. if you have a weak grip and want to hit it higher you need to stand the shaft up in the backswing like miller or nicklaus
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Why does the "weak grip" lead to a low ball flight?
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the weak grip leads to a low ball flight only if swung on the inclined plane like hogan thats why i put the two examples of johnny miller and nicklaus. they swing on a much more upright plane with the shaft standing up very steep on the backswing. give it a try grip the club very weak in your left and right hand like hogan. swing it on the plane like hogan and you will see in order to square it up you have to do just what hogan did arch that left wrist through impact,which will lead to a low cut (like hogan) if you dont arch it like that you will hit it right to right and sure it will go high then. But if you stand the shaft up like nicklaus you can swing on a much steeper plane and hit it alot higher and square it up much easier
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Just because your "backswing" is "steep" doesn't mean you're going to hit the ball high. I have what some consider to be a steep backswing but swing on the elbow plane on the downswing and hit the ball lower due to the shallower plane and horizontal hinge.
 
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