Interesting lag post

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I found this post from an instructor on another forum. Interested to hear others' reaction to this.

"As a golf instructor, there are no secrets. The closest you can get to the "secret" is understanding lag. The more lag you can produce, the better your chances in the long run of improving. Achieving lag is very elusive. I teach my students to try and hit the ball with the back of the hosel. First and foremost, a good turn is needed with back to the target. Then, I get them to try and hit the inside corner of the ball with the back of the hosel with the toe of the clubface facing 180 degrees away from the line of flight.

The ball will be hit square, much to the amazement of most of my students. Sometimes, it takes them about 25 balls, because they dont trust this motion due to years of trying to "hit" the ball with the "sweet spot" of the clubface. The "sweet spot" is not the axis of the swing. With my approach, the release becomes automatic, as does the squaring of the clubface. And distance generally one club longer due to the increased velocity of the release.

Most students I teach throw the club away in the downswing and a good hit is simply luck. By employing the method I have outlined, club throwaway is diminshed.

The hit with the hosel concept works good as a drill. Do pump drills with the thought of hitting the ball with the back of the hosel. On the fifth "pump", take a full swing. After enough practice with this, you will find much more solid and accurate contact, and if you have an over the top move, it should be corrected.

The one negative to this approach is that your arms will ache quite a bit in the beginning. You will not be used to swinging from the inside and producing such lag, and you will be using muscle groups that have not been used before. After a few weeks, this aching should lessen.

I want to emphasize, that you cannot hit the sweet spot consistently through a conscious manipulation of the hands. The golf swing is too quick and anyone that says otherwise is selling you false hope. You will have your moments, but an AJ Bonar type swing will leave you disappointed in the long run. My apporach will get you to the sweet spot more often without any conscious manipulation.

Hope this helps. Until someone has tried the approach I have outlined, I think it unfair to show such negativism. New golfers, if they understood how to produce lag more early on, would progress a whole lot sooner and save a lot of dollars in their search for the perfect instructor or set of clubs. "
 
I find it interesting that I hit the ball a rather long way with very little lag.

To me, it's certainly not a secret but interesting.
 
IMO, Lag is totally misunderstood. In a proper swing motion, the object is to overcome lag, not to preserve it for a long as you can.
 
And isn't it "lag pressure" we're looking for? Most people's definition of "lag" is the angle between your left arm and clubshaft, when really that's just accumulator lag, right? And that, in and of itself, does nothing without a good pivot moving the club downplane maintaining pp3, right?
 
He seems to be describing an exaggerated feel of the sequence release that Homer Kelley recommends for swingers.

By making them lag the hosel ( at least as a swing concept) they are probably no longer worried about clubface control or power and so rely on the throw out action developed by a rotory motion of the pivot.

Trying to hit with the hosel gives then some delay in accumulator 2 release, not overaccelerating allows CF to uncock left wrist and then the COG of clubhead lines up with accumulator 3 release totally unconsciously. The hosel rotates around the sweetspot if you let it!!

Interesting to see videos of this guy applying the technique to his students!
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Alright....that's it. That post has OFFICIALLY made me want to go out and actually do my video on what REALLLLY produces accumulator lag (the angle).

This weekend might be tight because i'm teaching a little out of town BUT i'm going to try and do my best to get it done. Plus a wonderful member here has given me hosting space on his server.

So give me some time and i'll show you how to REALLY do it. It's so simply you're going to slap yourself in the back of the head and be like, "that's it? Why didn't i think of that!"
 

lia41985

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What is sequenced release Brian and why does it get poor results, in your opinion? Does it promote throwaway?
 
Sequenced and Simultaneous release.

Search this forum for "(Mini) Video Archives....in progress", look for the video where Brian explains Sequenced and Simulataneous release.
 
In 25+ years on the tee, the WORST RESULTS of any concept I ever taught, was sequenced release.

By far.

Brian, I'm surprised since in your Building Blocks video you're recommending a sequence release (if I'm not mistaken). Is there any particular reason for this?
 
Hi Brian,

I view your vid, "VArelease.mov" again and now I am quite confused. In the vid, you mentioned that sequenced release is what a swinger does and simultaneous release is what a hitter does. Initially, I took that to imply that the release types for a swinger and hitter is different and thus problems may arise if interchanged.

However, in the above post, you mentioned that sequenced release gets the worst results. If that's the case, how does one be a successful swinger? Can the swinger also use a simultaneous release?

cheers,

daniel
 
Alright....that's it. That post has OFFICIALLY made me want to go out and actually do my video on what REALLLLY produces accumulator lag (the angle).

This weekend might be tight because i'm teaching a little out of town BUT i'm going to try and do my best to get it done. Plus a wonderful member here has given me hosting space on his server.

So give me some time and i'll show you how to REALLY do it. It's so simply you're going to slap yourself in the back of the head and be like, "that's it? Why didn't i think of that!"
Haven't we all heard this before, folks? I say this time we hold him to it. Jim's keeping too much good information to himself, and it's time to pay up. No video by August 31, and "Manzella's Mob" takes a road trip to Chicago. Any volunteers?
 
I know that Brian can speak for himself and hopefully he will respond, but I don't believe that Brian said not to sequence release, but that he did not get good results when he taught that concept. As Brian does with so many golf concepts, I'm sure he gets the results he is looking for by working on other aspects of the swing or on different visuals or feels. I'm not saying that the following are related to sequence release, but Brian likes to use ques such as: Follow the Yellow Brick Road, Shake the Sugar, Throw the Drunk, etc.

Jim S.
 
Haven't we all heard this before, folks? I say this time we hold him to it. Jim's keeping too much good information to himself, and it's time to pay up. No video by August 31, and "Manzella's Mob" takes a road trip to Chicago. Any volunteers?

I'll bring the bag of oranges. Don't want to leave any bruises as proof...
 

Brian Manzella

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Go to the head of the class!

I know that Brian can speak for himself and hopefully he will respond, but I don't believe that Brian said not to sequence release, but that he did not get good results when he taught that concept. As Brian does with so many golf concepts, I'm sure he gets the results he is looking for by working on other aspects of the swing or on different visuals or feels. I'm not saying that the following are related to sequence release, but Brian likes to use ques such as: Follow the Yellow Brick Road, Shake the Sugar, Throw the Drunk, etc.

Jim S.

That's it.
 
transition starts lag

I think transition from the back swing to the down swing starts the lag: If you try to lag the club soley on concept of lag you may get a case of the sever LEFTs : grabbing the club with u r right hand.

I know this well!

You can take the hockey player out of hockey but you can not take the hockey out of the player nice forum.
 
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