Iron Fitting

[birdie_man]

Don't know a lot about this but it seems to me there's more to it than swinging on one of those boards and looking at the mark on the sole...

I mean....wouldn't you adjust your swing to compensate for that?

I got fitted to 4* upright a few years ago doing this....(yuck!)...

 

[TexasAg]

Don't know a lot about this but it seems to me there's more to it than swinging on one of those boards and looking at the mark on the sole...

I mean....wouldn't you adjust your swing to compensate for that?

I got fitted to 4* upright a few years ago doing this....(yuck!)...

I don't know... Brian took a look at my clubs and said, "go hit these on a lie board... I'll bet they're too flat for you." Sure enough, 3* upright is what I got fitted for. So I had them bent while I was in Asia for a few weeks and went out and shot a 75 on Saturday. Now I'm hitting the ball really solid and square in the middle of the clubface (most of the time at least).

 

[golfbulldog]

Don't know a lot about this but it seems to me there's more to it than swinging on one of those boards and looking at the mark on the sole...

I mean....wouldn't you adjust your swing to compensate for that?

I got fitted to 4* upright a few years ago doing this....(yuck!)...

The bits about fitting from TGM point of view suggest that the ball is gone before the leading edge hits the grfound - does that sound familiar/right??

I suppose a lie board tells you about sole-ground alignment at LOW POINT or ,more likely, SEPARATION rather than impact??

If this were true then having clubs too flat - ie toe hitting ground hefore heel at separation - would this lead to open clubface at separation??

Not sure?

 

[Perfect Impact]

I am 6'4" tall with a very short arm length, meaning I need not only extra length clubs but a much steeper lie angle than "standard" clubs. Mine are bent some 6* upright and my divots are correct, my impact is solid center, and my previous experience with flatter lie clubs was "I CAN'T PLAY THIS STUPID GAME AT ALL!"

Sometimes the Arrow is simply wrong.

ALmost all my pupils show up with lie angles either too flat or ok: I don't recall ever having one needing his clubs flattened!

My clubmaker tells me OEM clubs seem to be made with steeper lie angles AND that a good deal of his practice IS bending them more upright. He doesn't have an agenda other than good fitting, so this is not a personal bias of his.

Of course with a toe-too-far-down impact the toe DOES catch the turf and can deflect the face: whether it actually DOES doesn't matter since the LOOK of a toe-down setup or divot is uhg-LEE.

In all of this I don't want to neglect the sheer comfort of addressing the ball with my hands hanging close to my legs--relaxed and natural feeling. So I do not any more contort my natural ease (by reaching out and bending over, obviously) by "trying to use a club that is too flat."

 

[TexasAg]

The bits about fitting from TGM point of view suggest that the ball is gone before the leading edge hits the grfound - does that sound familiar/right??

I suppose a lie board tells you about sole-ground alignment at LOW POINT or ,more likely, SEPARATION rather than impact??

If this were true then having clubs too flat - ie toe hitting ground hefore heel at separation - would this lead to open clubface at separation??

Not sure?

Contrary to popular belief, lie angles have nothing to do with part of the iron catching the ground and twisting the club. The ball is already gone by that point. However, if the toe is up or down when it hits the ground, it's up or down at impact as well. To understand how it affect flight, get out a wedge. Set it up with the leading edge square to the ground and see where the face is pointing. Now lift the heel or toe up an inch and see where the face is pointing and where the ball will travel. It makes a bigger difference with higher lofted clubs.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Contrary to popular belief, lie angles have nothing to do with part of the iron catching the ground and twisting the club. The ball is already gone by that point. However, if the toe is up or down when it hits the ground, it's up or down at impact as well. To understand how it affect flight, get out a wedge. Set it up with the leading edge square to the ground and see where the face is pointing. Now lift the heel or toe up an inch and see where the face is pointing and where the ball will travel. It makes a bigger difference with higher lofted clubs.

Finally someone with the right answer.

Also all irons today are made with much more upright irons than before AND longer because they are designed to curb THE SLICE.

two of my students have migrated to flatter lies (than before) because their impact positions have become much better. One uses the turned shoulder plane and the other uses the elbow.

 

[Perfect Impact]

I would never prescribe a club bias to cure a swing fault. I firmly believe most slicing is due to wrong instruction, not inability to square a club. And the poor victims spend their lives "correcting the slice" they were given by the establishment who are so frozen in "conventional" procedures that they make no allowance for individuality, anatomy, etc.

Both slice and impact are improved with correct procedures natural and easy for anyone if the TEACHER knows what he is doing.

Arrow/ Indian? NEITHER: INDIAN WISE MAN NOT SO WISE.

 

[birdie_man]

Ya that's kinda what I was gettin at PI...

I got fitted for 4* upright clubs...

I'm 5'10

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Man those things were brutal...

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I think...

This guy should have given me clubs that fit my BODY....with a good setup.......and assuming a good impact position.....so I can develop my swing properly around them...

....cause it was my swing that was obviously the issue.....too high r-forearm......toe digs in.....(DUH!)....

4* upright....man....I dunno what woulda happened to me if I didn't decide these things were messed up.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I would never prescribe a club bias to cure a swing fault. I firmly believe most slicing is due to wrong instruction, not inability to square a club. And the poor victims spend their lives "correcting the slice" they were given by the establishment who are so frozen in "conventional" procedures that they make no allowance for individuality, anatomy, etc.

Both slice and impact are improved with correct procedures natural and easy for anyone if the TEACHER knows what he is doing.

Arrow/ Indian? NEITHER: INDIAN WISE MAN NOT SO WISE.

No instructor would but that is what the club manufacturers do. Why do you think most high handicap players don't like off the rack Mizunos?