I am a pretty good player. Right around scratch at my best. I have taken about 10 lessons over the last 3 years from a well respected instructor. Every lesson I have, we work on pretty much the same thing because after I leave and go practice on my own I eventually give up on what we are trying and go back to my old swing so I can play some respectable golf. I went to see him about 5 weeks ago and I have spent a lot of time working on the things he taught me, but I haven't hit a good shot in the last 5 weeks. I haven't broken 80 in that span either. We are making some big changes but is it common to feel completely lost? Thanks,
Is it common to struggle after lessons
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If it isn't working it isn't working. Either he needs to change the approach or you need to change coaches IMO.
That said, some changes do take time, but it shouldn't take you months of playing worse.
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SteveT
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What do you work on with your instructor? What does he see that he thinks he can improve upon?
I hope you realize that your old swing is natural and performed unconsciously ... while the swing changes are done on a conscious level if they are not fully established and done unconsciously.
Actually you are in a 'twilight zone' in your golfswing now because it's bouncing between a conflict between your unconscious ingrained old golfswing and your consciously imposed swing changes. You will be in this chaotic transition state as long as you are trying to resolve both swing modes.
Btw .. now that you are trapped into swing changes, you can't go back to your old swing nohow .. sorry ...!
I hope you realize that your old swing is natural and performed unconsciously ... while the swing changes are done on a conscious level if they are not fully established and done unconsciously.
Actually you are in a 'twilight zone' in your golfswing now because it's bouncing between a conflict between your unconscious ingrained old golfswing and your consciously imposed swing changes. You will be in this chaotic transition state as long as you are trying to resolve both swing modes.
Btw .. now that you are trapped into swing changes, you can't go back to your old swing nohow .. sorry ...!
Kevin Shields
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Ive never been one to say every single student will get better and hit it great after every single lesson. Improvement can vary with each individual. If you understand what you are being taught, thats good. If (and you def should) hit some high quality, or better, shots during the lesson, thats good also. If you know what you should be working on when you leave, great. If you dont hit it better at all during the lesson....red flag!
Assuming the information is correct for you, progress in different forms should come soon after. Its common to jump back to what you know during rounds. Changes often come with a new set of misses, different curve, different feels, and different distances making it hard to play with. But if you go about it correctly, you should string together a series of shots on the range that were better than before. Then take it out for a test run on the course to try to replicate the feels away from the range when you only have one chance at it. Then start to trust it in your real rounds.
That being said, when someone tries to make wholesale changes, or big ones, sometimes you are asking for trouble during your play season. I only do this in the golf dome in the off season. A good instructor will find ways to creep you along, making you better, all the while allowing you to more easily transition the changes by being able to still play with them. Many just change you just to change you, regardless of your needs.
If you're having the kind of trouble you are having, chances are good either the info isnt right for you or you reeally dont understand it enough to incorporate it. Ive only been able to make big strides when changing something when I have a full grasp of what it feels like and what it means.
Hope this helps
Assuming the information is correct for you, progress in different forms should come soon after. Its common to jump back to what you know during rounds. Changes often come with a new set of misses, different curve, different feels, and different distances making it hard to play with. But if you go about it correctly, you should string together a series of shots on the range that were better than before. Then take it out for a test run on the course to try to replicate the feels away from the range when you only have one chance at it. Then start to trust it in your real rounds.
That being said, when someone tries to make wholesale changes, or big ones, sometimes you are asking for trouble during your play season. I only do this in the golf dome in the off season. A good instructor will find ways to creep you along, making you better, all the while allowing you to more easily transition the changes by being able to still play with them. Many just change you just to change you, regardless of your needs.
If you're having the kind of trouble you are having, chances are good either the info isnt right for you or you reeally dont understand it enough to incorporate it. Ive only been able to make big strides when changing something when I have a full grasp of what it feels like and what it means.
Hope this helps
Kevin Shields
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How do you know you were more of a hitter? Was it measured?
What exactly is the goal with lower body addition?
What exactly is the goal with lower body addition?
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SteveT
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What is your body type .. your height, weight, age, shoe size ....
Have you defined your body type and swing style according to LAWs of the Golf Swing by Adam, Suttie, Tomasi ?
As for your pivot change, are you saying your instructor has changed your foot, leg and hip action ... the start of the golfswing kinetic chain ... because that is a massive alteration ....!!!!!
Kevin, thanks for your reply. I don't really know I was a hitter, it was probably a bad choice of words since by TGM definition I probably wasn't a true hitter. It was more a reference to what it felt like to me. I hit the ball with my right arm and hand and kinda slung the club out to the right. (I call it my junior golf try to hit ball far swing) The pivot is helping get the club to exit more on plane add accuracy and consistency to my ball striking.
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MR MORGAN
I have the distinction of knowing the least on the site, as well as the highest hdcp..34
but i am going to give you what i hope is helpful advice
firstly I never pass judgment of anyone or anything
here is my ( i hope helpful advice)...pm kevin shields
ask him if you can send him a short clip of your swing..
he will probably say ok i will take a look...........trust me....Kevin like Brian...knows stuff
he will make some suggestions...and you will have a swing you can use today...tomorrow and next
week etc................so, you might ask did I ask Kevin if i could write this?? answer is NO..
but on this site....the pros (like kevin) help people
go ahead pm him....
aj
I have the distinction of knowing the least on the site, as well as the highest hdcp..34
but i am going to give you what i hope is helpful advice
firstly I never pass judgment of anyone or anything
here is my ( i hope helpful advice)...pm kevin shields
ask him if you can send him a short clip of your swing..
he will probably say ok i will take a look...........trust me....Kevin like Brian...knows stuff
he will make some suggestions...and you will have a swing you can use today...tomorrow and next
week etc................so, you might ask did I ask Kevin if i could write this?? answer is NO..
but on this site....the pros (like kevin) help people
go ahead pm him....
aj
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SteveT
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You have a big physique. Perhaps you could tell us to which tour pro you would compare your build.
Changing your pivot is tantamount to trashing your entire old golfswing, because the lower body is the start and foundation of the golfswing kinetic chain, where most of your power originates. Also by destabilizing your lower body with a completely new action, you are experiencing a complete rebuild of your golfswing ... because your torso, shoulders, arms and club will have to resynchronize to your new pivot action.
Faldo did this with Leadbetter, and it took him 2 years of suffering before it all came together and then he burned up the tour.
Brian Manzella
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Brian Manzella
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So you had a high/right exit and hot a push-fade at the target?
From a student point of view, I have the same problem after lessons. While taking them I hit the ball great as soon as i`m alone on my own it just doesnt work and after one day I go back to my old swing. I play 4-5 times a week I really should stay a week trying what was taught to me.Both brian and mike jacobs had me swinging well doing what I had trouble with.
So why cant I do it on my own?
So why cant I do it on my own?
Jim Kobylinski
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I agree with kevin, sometimes some approaches dont' work for people.
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Every golfer has their "issue" that they will deal with forever. It's different for everyone, for me it's a slightly open clubface and always creating the proper tilt for a shot. But that's just me. I KNOW those are things i always have to monitor but outside of the couple things that will nag you forever you should be able to play good golf.
I'd just talk to your instructor and tell him you want to do it a different way because this just isn't working for you. Either he will accommodate you or he won't and you can go elsewhere.
Don't get pigeon holed into a pattern if it just doesn't work.
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Every golfer has their "issue" that they will deal with forever. It's different for everyone, for me it's a slightly open clubface and always creating the proper tilt for a shot. But that's just me. I KNOW those are things i always have to monitor but outside of the couple things that will nag you forever you should be able to play good golf.
I'd just talk to your instructor and tell him you want to do it a different way because this just isn't working for you. Either he will accommodate you or he won't and you can go elsewhere.
Don't get pigeon holed into a pattern if it just doesn't work.
i have been working on my pivot for about five months. do not have it to my satisfaction yet, but am alot better than five months ago. are you doing reps, drills, and practicing everyday? are you committed to get it right. does your pro say you have the pivot right. it sounds like it is just taking more time than you want, or more time to correct than you are willing to spend.
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DwachNess
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dont kidding me, folks!
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dont kidding me, folks!
ANY QUESTIONS???
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