Is STLOC Dead?

[tobell]

In light of the acceptance of the overwhelming evidence including Mandrin's research concerning the futility of resisting deceleration at impact is the concept of "sustaining the line of compression" now dead? Homer stated that STLOC was nothing less than the secret of golf. Many have accepted Homer's assertion and designed strokes to try to achieve what we now know is unachievable.

No more attempts at increasing "Effective Mass" unless you're a good Catholic?

 

[Ty Webb]

"The Times They Are A-Changin" --Bob Dylan

Your line about "Effective Mass" looks familiar.

Clarifying the line between science and perception was one of Homer’s objectives. He gave us an earnest and enormous effort in his lofty endeavor. The endeavor endures; help us along, Divo is calling you “He blinded me with science, SCIENCE”!

Pseudo Scientific Concepts:

STLOC— is not scientifically achievable, correct?

EFFECTIVE MASS—does not exist in a closed system such as a golfer holding a club, correct?

RESISTANCE TO DECELERATOIN—cannot be achieved in the club to ball collusions, correct?

Ok so what does all this really mean to TGMers? If concepts we used to regard as scientifically valid produce results we should still use those concepts with a newfound understanding of their limitations. I believe the forward leaning shaft can be illustrative of this point—its effect is positive when applied to the right student at the right time, but…

Thesis
Anomalies
Antithesis
New Thesis



“SCIENCE!” -Divo

 

[hcw]

dude...

Your line about "Effective Mass" looks familiar. ....Divo is calling you “He blinded me with science, SCIENCE”!...

“SCIENCE!” -Divo

1) It's "DEVO"
2) "She Blinded Me With Science" was by Thomas Dolby

-hcw

ps-you're wrong about the other stuff too

 

[Ty Webb]

Can you please be specific?

-hcw said:

"ps-you're wrong about the other stuff too"

hcw:

Your corrections were very specific regarding my musical blunders, can you be as specific regarding the "other stuff too".

 

[hcw]

been there, done that...

Your corrections were very specific regarding my musical blunders, can you be as specific regarding the "other stuff too".

...i've stated my pov in previous threads and this site has a great search engine that allows you to look back at posts by user...you can check 'em out...

-hcw

 

[Ty Webb]

The train has left the station

HCW

Did as you suggested-- great reading, thanks!

Baseball has a similar debate regarding the significance of torque exerted upon the handle of a bat in the bat/ball collision. I've previously posted a link to research regarding the baseball debate; in summary it supports Mandrin's position. I understand from your debates with Mandrin that you don't accept some or most of my assertions as valid. Your dissension is duly noted, nevertheless these questions regarding the possible demise of STLOC persist for those of us who accept this information as accurate and true. As I see it the train has left the station, let’s move along.

Thesis
Anomalies
Antithesis
New Thesis



“SCIENCE!” -Thomas Dolby

 

[Perfect Impact]

Kelley's "advice" might well be good "swing thoughts" for what you need to do ON THE WAY TO THE BALL, to accelerate the club to its max. prior to the actual collision. A couple of errors in his science are clear: you cannot influence the ball once struck, and the clubshaft is flexed forward at impact already (it is not kicking forward).

BUT if you ACT as though the shaft is flexing forward and as though you CAN accelerate the club during impact, you MAY BE more likely to sustain your accelerative force. But that gets into the realm of personal preference and feelings - swing thoughts, efforts, intentions.... To each his own, what works.

 

[Ty Webb]

Negative Torque through Impact

Approaching impact while using a swinging procedure and assuming the club is yet to achieve an in-line condition with the lead arm, shouldn't we be striving for negative torque against the club handle through impact. This would suggest maximum transference of momentum from the pivot, arms, wrists and hands into the club. Mandrin little help here, I'm a babe in the woods, far away from Momma. This is my understanding from your biometric rendering.

Therefore all the heavy wet mopping should be finished by the time the shaft approaches approximately horizontal to the base of the plane line, we then just let it fly.

 

[Perfect Impact]

Quit? You don't mean that by "let it fly," obviously. You don't mean not to continue to apply force ON THE FULCRUM do you?

 

[Ty Webb]

Quitters never win and winners never quit

The objective is to reach impact with the club head at maximum velocity, that's a given. The methodology to employ in order to accomplish this objective is the question at hand. As I understand Mandrin's biometric model there in an inverse relationship between the torque exerted upon the handle and club head speed nearing impact in the release interval. This makes sense if you think in terms of transferring the maximum amount of energy from the body, arms, wrists and hands into the club. During release the point of lowest applied torque to the handle occurs simultaneous to maximum club head speed. If we can coordinate and synchronize the geometry (club achieving and in-line condition with the lead arm) with the physics (expulsion of torque) as close to impact as possible we've achieved our best strike.

There is no "heavy" dragging in the release interval of this model, quite the contrary.

 

[hcw]

Train ride

HCW

Did as you suggested-- great reading, thanks!
...Your dissension is duly noted, nevertheless these questions regarding the possible demise of STLOC persist for those of us who accept this information as accurate and true. As I see it the train has left the station, let’s move along.

Fair enough...I don't think you'll find the answers you're looking for on your train ride, but I'm sure there will always be a return train availble...Cheers!

-hcw

 

[tobell]

Bump. This thread was kicked of a few years ago.

 

[tobell]

Heavy Hitting

We now know that what we once regarded as the coveted "heavy hit" is nothing more than monitoring the shaft deflection through the release and impact intervals...