Jim, here's what the changes look like

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Thanks for your input Jim. I implemented the axis tilt at setup. I could probably stand to tilt a hair bit more but you can see it's tilted more.


 

Jim Kobylinski

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Much better imo. Hard to see everything cuz there aren't a ton of frames, but it does look like you have been able to implement the changes and they should be for the better.

I think your top of the backswing position is perfect and the downswing looks much better. Tell me what did this change make your swing "feel like" now?
 
Thanks guys. It's different having a low point further back than I'm used to, so now ball position is changing slightly.

It FEELS alright. Kind of like I have to shift harder forward to get to it at times... but that's just because of ball placement I think.

One thing is for sure though. My trajectory is WAY higher. I have lost some distance. Again I think ball placement plays a part in that though.

The key for me right now is ball placement and finishing with that right shoulder lower. When I do those things I am very accurate. I've seen a huge improvement in my accuracy with my wedges. That's always been a sore spot in my game so I'm very excited. My next tournament is comming up in March so I have some time to work on this.

Going back to the feel, the feel is actually the same when taking the club back. I really haven't changed anything about my intention. I'm still working on taking the club back a bit more vertically as I have a bad habit to drag the club under plane to start, then lift up to the top. Everytime I do that, I shut the clubface down and have a slight over the top move. When I get more vertical with the takeaway then I tend to be right on plane for the whole swing.

I'm hearing a lot about my setup being too bent over. I really feel comfortable here and I don't feel like I'm comming out of it at all. When I watch the video I don't see a sugnificant balance problem. When it comes to that sort of advice I have a lot of skepticism. Beware of the man who repeats what he hears but does not know why. When I look at my spine angle it's about right on average of Tiger, Mickelson, Payne Stewart, an Harrington when I did comparrisons.

Your thoughts?
 
Steve, I put a sticky on your head from the front view and noticed your head is moving forward on the downswing and is ahead of it's address postion at impact which I would think moves low point forward. If I can assume you moved the ball postion back because you were catching them a little heavy then might you have some leakage? To me it looked like you have more of a sweep release rather than a hold it till the end snap release?
 
Steve, I put a sticky on your head from the front view and noticed your head is moving forward on the downswing and is ahead of it's address postion at impact which I would think moves low point forward. If I can assume you moved the ball postion back because you were catching them a little heavy then might you have some leakage? To me it looked like you have more of a sweep release rather than a hold it till the end snap release?

I wasn't catching them heavy, I was catching them thin. When I made this shift forward with a forward ball position, I hit it well.

I'm not so big on having a perfectly still head. Nor do I think it's terrible if it moves forward a little. As long as you are still slightly behind the ball, it should be fine.

I do have a sweep release. Snap release requires way too much timing for me. I'm not a muscular player, I'm a tempo guy. I CAN hit a few shots with a snap release but trying to be consistent with it requires a lot of practice.
 
Your head is practically over the ball at impact. I thought you were trying to add axis tilt? To acheive more axis tilt through impact don't you HAVE to stay back? Just trying to help
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Thanks guys. It's different having a low point further back than I'm used to, so now ball position is changing slightly.

Low point shouldn't move, it's always under the left shoulder. If you can't "get there" then you are hanging back.

It FEELS alright. Kind of like I have to shift harder forward to get to it at times... but that's just because of ball placement I think.

Sounds like above, sounds like you are hanging back a bit due to not moving your hips foward enough i'm betting.

One thing is for sure though. My trajectory is WAY higher. I have lost some distance. Again I think ball placement plays a part in that though.

You probably didn't lose distance, you are probably just hitting the ball with the right amount of loft. With that old swing it seemed like you came much further ahead of the ball and delofted it.

The key for me right now is ball placement and finishing with that right shoulder lower. When I do those things I am very accurate. I've seen a huge improvement in my accuracy with my wedges. That's always been a sore spot in my game so I'm very excited. My next tournament is comming up in March so I have some time to work on this.

Makes sense, i'm willing to bet that when you got ahead of the ball you were delofting the club to varying degress that weren't consistent making it hard to play to a certain distance. Just stick with it and you will see the improvement in the long clubs. Just remember you still have to get those hips to move foward.

Going back to the feel, the feel is actually the same when taking the club back. I really haven't changed anything about my intention. I'm still working on taking the club back a bit more vertically as I have a bad habit to drag the club under plane to start, then lift up to the top. Everytime I do that, I shut the clubface down and have a slight over the top move.

Honestly, that OTT move isn't really an OTT move. You come down the turned shoulder plane and it sounds like you took it back on the elbow plane and shifted to the TSP and then came down it, so it made it look like an OTT move but in reality it wasn't. Just my opinion.

When I get more vertical with the takeaway then I tend to be right on plane for the whole swing.

I think you're just taking it much more up the TSP and coming back down the TSP so it makes it look more on plane but you could have possibly been on plane before as well. Just now you aren't shifting as much.

I'm hearing a lot about my setup being too bent over. I really feel comfortable here and I don't feel like I'm comming out of it at all. When I watch the video I don't see a sugnificant balance problem. When it comes to that sort of advice I have a lot of skepticism. Beware of the man who repeats what he hears but does not know why. When I look at my spine angle it's about right on average of Tiger, Mickelson, Payne Stewart, an Harrington when I did comparrisons. [/quote]

Ya i saw that post on that site, i'm not even sure why you ask advice there. You are fine, just most of those people are more than likely FLIPPERS who like to STAND UP because if they did bend over like a REAL GOLFER they'd hit it FAT all day long

One last thing, that thin shot lounds almost like a leakage flip. Aim your hands a bit more foward. Remember that the handle of the club should look from your view almost outside your left shoe.
 
Low point shouldn't move, it's always under the left shoulder. If you can't "get there" then you are hanging back.



Sounds like above, sounds like you are hanging back a bit due to not moving your hips foward enough i'm betting.



You probably didn't lose distance, you are probably just hitting the ball with the right amount of loft. With that old swing it seemed like you came much further ahead of the ball and delofted it.



Makes sense, i'm willing to bet that when you got ahead of the ball you were delofting the club to varying degress that weren't consistent making it hard to play to a certain distance. Just stick with it and you will see the improvement in the long clubs. Just remember you still have to get those hips to move foward.



Honestly, that OTT move isn't really an OTT move. You come down the turned shoulder plane and it sounds like you took it back on the elbow plane and shifted to the TSP and then came down it, so it made it look like an OTT move but in reality it wasn't. Just my opinion.



I think you're just taking it much more up the TSP and coming back down the TSP so it makes it look more on plane but you could have possibly been on plane before as well. Just now you aren't shifting as much.

I'm hearing a lot about my setup being too bent over. I really feel comfortable here and I don't feel like I'm comming out of it at all. When I watch the video I don't see a sugnificant balance problem. When it comes to that sort of advice I have a lot of skepticism. Beware of the man who repeats what he hears but does not know why. When I look at my spine angle it's about right on average of Tiger, Mickelson, Payne Stewart, an Harrington when I did comparrisons.


Ya i saw that post on that site, i'm not even sure why you ask advice there. You are fine, just most of those people are more than likely FLIPPERS who like to STAND UP because if they did bend over like a REAL GOLFER they'd hit it FAT all day long

One last thing, that thin shot lounds almost like a leakage flip. Aim your hands a bit more foward. Remember that the handle of the club should look from your view almost outside your left shoe.[/QUOTE]

Jim, you can see that i am shifting forward quite a bit to get to the ball. As it was pointed out my head is quite a bit more forward than where it is at setup.... I think this has something to do with my sweeping release. I'm going to have to get later with that release to keep the ball placement where it is.
 
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