jimmy mclean on perfection
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Lindsey Newman
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So awesome. Oh but hold on a second...what about Grant Waite. Hahahaha
Lindsey Newman
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Now now, I'm just teasing.
Although I was under the impression that TGM was off limits here I'm surprised that Jimmy spent a day with Homer yet considers the book a "method". The "88 step swing" (or is it 8.... I forget) is a method. I'll have to shoot him an email asking about that. 
Lots of pots calling kettles black imo.
Certainly there seem to be camps that are a bit dogmatic about things that are preferred or imperatives, but does Bmanz consider TGM a method?
Lots of pots calling kettles black imo. Certainly there seem to be camps that are a bit dogmatic about things that are preferred or imperatives, but does Bmanz consider TGM a method?
TGM is not a method but most instructors who teach it develop a method based on their interpretation of the book.
The most common interpretation is STLOC and it results in this....
YouTube - Paul Smith & James Ramsey
Basically,TGM instructors often make students overdo principles that are scientifically wrong.
TGM claims it covers all methods.I say BS.
The most common interpretation is STLOC and it results in this....
YouTube - Paul Smith & James Ramsey
Basically,TGM instructors often make students overdo principles that are scientifically wrong.
TGM claims it covers all methods.I say BS.
adamscot89
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I think Choi's move is a great model to teach a hooker, just like David Toms' move, straight from NHA, but I agree you hit the ball great because of the numbers at impact, not because things looked great a P2, P3, and P4, or any of a certain number of "steps" for that matter. Although I think McLean's steps are a little bit more of general principles than laws.
Michael Finney
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force across the shaft....when applied in generous portions is a KILLER
gmbtempe
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Someone has to explain how a book of components is a method? Isn't it the opposite?
Listen to the audio phone call with Homer. The caller clearly asks a bunch of "can you do this and this" and every time Homer says "you can do anything" with the premise of that might not work as well as "this".
And since when does SnT=TGM?
Listen to the audio phone call with Homer. The caller clearly asks a bunch of "can you do this and this" and every time Homer says "you can do anything" with the premise of that might not work as well as "this".
And since when does SnT=TGM?
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Jared Willerson
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He didn't say that. " Heavily influenced" does not mean the same thing as "equal".
gmbtempe
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I was also going by some of the comments below the video from golf swing enthusiasts.
johnnymarlboro
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If TGM is a collection of components that can be rearranged thousands of different ways, why does it seem that most teachers who are heavily influenced off of TGM, teach patterns that end up looking the same? I understand people within those camps claim that they're not following a method and you can "swing your own way" within the teachings. But from an outsiders point of view, if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck.... It's a left leaning swing...
gmbtempe
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You mean like Brian? When he was heavily TGM he still taught a bunch of patterns.
Everyone has preferences no doubt but I don't see a rigid ideal from the people I read on the net, from a collective standpoint, we can all find a few who do this or that.
johnnymarlboro
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That's kind of my point. Brian never advocated one set method. But based on advertising and such, it seems these other camps are based in one set method. That's coming from what I've observed as an outsider. Now I've heard that these guys don't control their advertising campaigns, but if it's their baby then why would they let their "method" be so wildly misinterpreted by the general public? Hell they've even got tour players on the commercial saying "You've got to try this swing!" How can I interpret that any differently than being a method? I'm not trying to be difficult or insulting. This is simply my perspective. I'm sure there is some variation in their teachings, but it's absolutely not presented that way up front.
Aside from a few notable exceptions, from what I can see, the TGM instructors with the loudest voices are 1 pattern guys. That seems tough to deny.
Maybe TGM Instructors who tend to teach a handful of patterns tend to be quieter and less boisterous and get let publicity.
Of course, one of Brian's fortes was to fix the people who had been run through the various method mills (tgm or not) and who had came out hurtin.
Maybe TGM Instructors who tend to teach a handful of patterns tend to be quieter and less boisterous and get let publicity.
Of course, one of Brian's fortes was to fix the people who had been run through the various method mills (tgm or not) and who had came out hurtin.
gmbtempe
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I am not sure Bennett and Plummer have ever been TGM AI's?
I agree they do espouse their method and would not fit into what I would call TGM type instruction. Not that its wrong because I like a lot of it but to say you need to do this or that is not what I buy into.
BrendanC
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Some TGM people seem to want to have their cake and eat it.
Basically, there are two 'TGM's and people switch between them depending on how the argument is going: there is the catalogue and the 'preferred' method.
Non-TGM player: I just play.
TGM Answer: You are TGM, you just don't know it. It's all in there. It is just a catalogue of possible components.
Non-TGM player: I use my body to start my takeaway/
Answer: That's inferior! Right Forearm Takeaway is mandatory. You are a compensating piece of crap!!!
It is this 'mandatory' and 'recommended' and 'compensations' rubbish that adds up to TGM being to all intents and purposes a method.
Basically, any "catalogue" has a view and cannot be unbiased.
And no, I haven't read it.
Basically, there are two 'TGM's and people switch between them depending on how the argument is going: there is the catalogue and the 'preferred' method.
Non-TGM player: I just play.
TGM Answer: You are TGM, you just don't know it. It's all in there. It is just a catalogue of possible components.
Non-TGM player: I use my body to start my takeaway/
Answer: That's inferior! Right Forearm Takeaway is mandatory. You are a compensating piece of crap!!!
It is this 'mandatory' and 'recommended' and 'compensations' rubbish that adds up to TGM being to all intents and purposes a method.
Basically, any "catalogue" has a view and cannot be unbiased.
And no, I haven't read it.
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