Jodie Mudd Swing Sequence Question

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

The sequence was posted in relation to the article about Mac O'Grady in Golf Digest.

I haven't been able to copy the sequence so here is the relevant link to the thread.

www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6780&page=8

I have a question about the left arm and its relation to the body in the backswing and the downswing. In the backswing the left arm when parallel to the ground is well inside the feet line but in the downswing in the same position it is much further forward, lined up with the feet. It gives the impression of an over the top move if you look at the alignment of the shaft with the upper right arm in both pictures, although the clubshaft remains on plane in both. What causes this to happen? Is it the centrifugal force of the rotation that forces the arms away from the centre or is it something consciously achieved. It is something I've seen in the swings of O'Grady and Snead as well. Thanks for any help.

 

[rundmc]

The sequence was posted in relation to the article about Mac O'Grady in Golf Digest.

I haven't been able to copy the sequence so here is the relevant link to the thread.

www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6780&page=8

I have a question about the left arm and its relation to the body in the backswing and the downswing. In the backswing the left arm when parallel to the ground is well inside the feet line but in the downswing in the same position it is much further forward, lined up with the feet. It gives the impression of an over the top move if you look at the alignment of the shaft with the upper right arm in both pictures, although the clubshaft remains on plane in both. What causes this to happen? Is it the centrifugal force of the rotation that forces the arms away from the centre or is it something consciously achieved. It is something I've seen in the swings of O'Grady and Snead as well. Thanks for any help.

If it's the Snead model . . . it's on purpose.

 

[The Return of NAT]

The sequence was posted in relation to the article about Mac O'Grady in Golf Digest.

I haven't been able to copy the sequence so here is the relevant link to the thread.

www.brianmanzella.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6780&page=8

I have a question about the left arm and its relation to the body in the backswing and the downswing. In the backswing the left arm when parallel to the ground is well inside the feet line but in the downswing in the same position it is much further forward, lined up with the feet. It gives the impression of an over the top move if you look at the alignment of the shaft with the upper right arm in both pictures, although the clubshaft remains on plane in both. What causes this to happen? Is it the centrifugal force of the rotation that forces the arms away from the centre or is it something consciously achieved. It is something I've seen in the swings of O'Grady and Snead as well. Thanks for any help.

That's because the Left arm is always following the line of the hips...

In Backstroke hips 45 degrees to the PL...so is the Left Arm....

Downstroke...Hips parallel to PL so...are hips..

How do I know?....

That's what "Big Mac" replied to me with the same question I had once asked....

Nice Pics....look familiar

 

[golfbulldog]

That's because the Left arm is always following the line of the hips...

In Backstroke hips 45 degrees to the PL...so is the Left Arm....

Downstroke...Hips parallel to PL so...are hips..

How do I know?....

That's what "Big Mac" replied to me with the same question I had once asked....

Nice Pics....look familiar

BUT towards top of backswing arms are about 70 - 80 degrees to plane line and hips are much less. Your alignment holds true for only part of the swing but does explain the shift in shaft plane on the downswing.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

BUT towards top of backswing arms are about 70 - 80 degrees to plane line and hips are much less. Your alignment holds true for only part of the swing but does explain the shift in shaft plane on the downswing.

Find me any golfer, even a TOUR PLAYER who has less than 45* of hip rotation on the backswing.

Go to a local Golftek, not many tour players can do that.

 

[The Return of NAT]

BUT towards top of backswing arms are about 70 - 80 degrees to plane line and hips are much less. Your alignment holds true for only part of the swing but does explain the shift in shaft plane on the downswing.

I guess your telling Mac he's wrong...I did that once!!!!!

 

[Brian Manzella]

Maybe I don't know anything about the golf swing, but...

I am pretty sure a class of 5th Grade girls could find a few BIG differences.

Let's start a list of BIG differences that MATTER A LOT.

1. Jodie's grip is WAY STRONGER than Sam

2. ?

 

[rundmc]

I am pretty sure a class of 5th Grade girls could find a few BIG differences.

Let's start a list of BIG differences that MATTER A LOT.

1. Jodie's grip is WAY STRONGER than Sam

2. ?

This is way too easy . . . FLAT LEFT WRIST vs. BENT LEFT WRIST.

What do I win?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

This is way too easy . . . FLAT LEFT WRIST vs. BENT LEFT WRIST.

What do I win?

True, but they are both "geometrically flat" or "anatomically flat." Jodie's left wrist may be bent but it has to be that way with his grip choice.

However it is something different.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Prize: A free steak dinner with Mac.

Good one run!

2. Bent (Jodie) vs. Flat (sam) left wrists at the top

 

[Jared Willerson]

Snead looks to have straightened his right knee more than Mudd; also looks as though Snead has turned his hips more, but that has been discussed in previous posts.

Is Snead a little less bent over perhaps?

 

[Brian Manzella]

More steak dinners!

3. Jodie WAY MORE bent over than Sam

4. Sam right leg WAY straighter at the top

 

[rundmc]

3. Jodie WAY MORE bent over than Sam

4. Sam right leg WAY straighter at the top

B . . . On #4 . . . The leg is WAY straighter . . . also looks like Sam has more forward bend possibly a result of the leg straightening? At least it looks like he's more "bent over" at the top.

So looks like at least on 1-4 there are differences . . . why do you reckon Mac (or whoever it was that said it) says the Mudd Move is MODELED after the Snead move? Or is he just a tard?

What do you see as the advantages and draw backs to the waist bend and knee bend of Jodie vs. Sam?

 

[ChrisNZ]

I'm definitely no expert, but it looks to me like all (most of) the differences stem from set up choices. As Jim noted, Jodie needs the cup in his wrist at the top to be geometrically flat. While Snead has a straighter right leg at the top, both seem to straighten their right legs, it's just that Jodie starts with much more knee bend. To me it looks similar, except for the fact they start from different places. Sam does lift his left heel a bit more I guess...

Chris

 

[Brian Manzella]

No problem Chris.

Except for the fact that Tiger is 6' 2" and is a black man, and strong and flexible, my swing and his have a lot in common.

My point here is that Mac O'Grady is NOT all that he is cracked up to be.

"We found that Homer was 70% dead on..."

Go bend some more people over, Phil.

 

[birdie_man]

Hahahahaha.

 

[rundmc]

I'm definitely no expert, but it looks to me like all (most of) the differences stem from set up choices. As Jim noted, Jodie needs the cup in his wrist at the top to be geometrically flat. While Snead has a straighter right leg at the top, both seem to straighten their right legs, it's just that Jodie starts with much more knee bend. To me it looks similar, except for the fact they start from different places. Sam does lift his left heel a bit more I guess...

Chris

Geometically flat I understand but I don't have to be Geometrically flat with a Turned Left Hand Grip . . . Check out Lee Buck . . .

 

[quantumgolf]

what is your problem with mac o,grady?

 

[James Marshall (Hogan1953)]

Thanks

Thanks for your input everybody. It's interesting to compare other tour swings with other instructional influences who tend to align the left arm much more with the feet or just a fraction inside at left arm parallel to the ground. In the downswing, however, everything looks much more alike in the same position. I suppose that begs the question, what is the most efficient and repeatable way of getting the left arm in that position in the downswing, by keeping it more in line with the feet in the backswing or letting it follow the hips more.

Brian, your input is always valued but at as you have implored others many times before, please stick to the thread, I was only asking about Jodie Mudd's left arm position, which in fact you didn't comment upon before starting to compare his swing with Snead's and then laying into Mac.

 

[birdie_man]

Geometically flat I understand but I don't have to be Geometrically flat with a Turned Left Hand Grip . . . Check out Lee Buck . . .

Very true....Lee Buck....strong grip + FLAT.