Keep from Bowing my Left Wrist...

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jazzyshan

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at the top of the swing?

Recently I saw my swing on video for the first time ever. It was an eye-opening experience to say the least, for I was doing a lot of things I had no idea I was doing.

Foremost among these things is the most extremely bowed left wrist I've ever seen in a golf swing at the top. You could literally serve a drink on the clubface it was so flat. The thing is, in my MIND, I was making an effort to produce a FLAT left wrist. Attempting your twist-away move seemed to only compound this problem.

So now I'm working on trying to keep my wrist flat at the top, with the toe of the clubface pointing down instead of horizontal. But this bowed wrist seems to be a horribly ingrained habit. What Feels flat is still very bowed.

Any suggestions?
 
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jazzyshan

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OK, but what seems to be happening is that I am able to get to this thumb-under-at-the-top position, but my first _downswing_ move (impulse) is to bow (arch?) my wrist.

I'm practicing endlessly to eliminate this, but old habits die hard. Even when I practice a "pump drill" whereby I take my club back half way and then simply cock my wrists and lift up to the top, sure enough, the wrist collapses in transition.

So what I'm really asking is: what do I need to practice in order to eliminate this deeply ingrained habit?
 
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EdZ

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Not such a bad issue Shaun (bowing on the downswing), although I bet you get a fair amount of pulls or at worst some hard core push shots (if too active with lower body or too 'under').

This is the drawback to 'overdoing' twist away. You can still play from there though and get great compression.
 
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jazzyshan

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EdZ, yes, I've actually played this way for quite some time with some success (6 hdcp). But what's happening (this is for Brian's info too), is that I bow extremely and then, in order to compensate, I have a big OTT move, which brings the shaft and club down on an extremely upright plane as I hold off all rotation (since the clubface is already "rotated" square. This results in very accurate short-iron shots, but either pushes and slices with longer clubs (especially driver) or, as you noted, pulls.

I don't think I can get much better with this swing so want to swing more conventionally and improve my results with my longer clubs, but this habit is very deeply ingrained. Even when I swear on my life that I'm swinging more on an inside out plane with a flat left wrist, video tells me otherwise. That's why I pretty much understand _what_ to do, but not how to practice and ingrain the new move. That's the info I'm really looking for.

Brian, looking forward to your commentary.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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If you have a plane issue...work on that first. Get your plane right and then see where the ball goes. If you still have a problem with ball flight with an on-plane swing then you will have to educate your left hand/arm to control the clubface.

Get some flashlights or some cheap lasers and start tracing a straight plane line.
 
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EdZ

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try drilling your backswing with your back against a wall, it will keep you from getting too inside too early and encourage more of a 'fan' of the forearm and more 'up', (and 'under' the shaft, as Brian suggested) which in your case is a feel you'll need to get away from the arch - even though you are doing it on the downswing, the backswing moves set it up. I agree with Jim, you've probably got a plane issue and the lasers/wall drill will help you get back on track.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Let me tell you that if you are flat on the backswing i wouldn't put your back up against the wall just yet, too big of an extreme too fast imo.

Keep your back about 2-3 feet away from the and start completing your backswing there WHILE tracing a straight plane line. As you get more comfortable you can get closer to the wall.

Also the more and more i read about your problems and the things we're advising i'd REALLY SUGGEST brians "Never hook again" video.
 
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jazzyshan

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When I first saw my swing on video I had an extreme inside pulling move to initiate the backswing with a shut clubface. Now I'm working on rolling the face open and swinging back on a more conventional plane as you guys suggest. But unless I take it back on (what feels to me like) a very flat plane, my wrist still wants to flatten in my first move down.

As for "Never Hook Again," well, hooking is definitely not my problem. In fact, this swing evolved from trying to stop hooking, which is what I did as a beginner. The swing I have described sent the ball either straight or to the right, sometimes a pull but never a hook. With what I'm practicing now, I'm starting to get a controlled draw, which is good, right?
 
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