Knowledge of the D-plane on the tour

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ParHunter

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Hi,

I've watched CNN's Living golf the other day (here in the UK) and it was showing Lee Westwood giving a clinic to some golfers. He told them what he does to hit a draw: 'I aim my clubface where I want the ball to end and align my body to where I want the ball to start'. And he was number 1 not so long ago!

What do you think what percentage of tour player got no clue what the ball is actually doing?
 
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Sometimes I think even if someone knows D-plane they may be unwilling or unable to explain it that they take the easy way out and talk about aiming the clubface and swinging somewhere else. I am betting if you sat down with Westwood and got into detail with him he might tell you a different story. Who knows? Maybe ignorance is bliss? lol.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Could pass a basic test on the D-Plane that 1000 folks on this site could...

Today:

Regular Avid Golfer : 5-15% tops

PGA of America : 10-20% tops

PGA Tour : 20-30% tops

Euro Tour : 20-35% tops

By the summer of 2012 (this summer):

Double (at least)
 
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mgranato

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Something I experienced this weekend was that some know about it enough just to be dangerous. Sometimes almost knowing it can be as bad as not knowing it.
 
Todd Dugan

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How 'bout that Cialis commercial where a Top 100 teacher shows how to draw the ball around a tree. He also says to aim the clubface where you want the ball to end up and swing the club in the direction that you want the ball to start off in.
 
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We all know (for specialty shots) that once you swing well to the right or left of your intended target, the clubface will move in that direction as well. Its all about having the biggest differential between face and path to get the most spin axis on "trick shots."

Where it gets complicated is if they have to explain a 2yd draw or fade, or God forbid, a straight shot.
 
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SteveT

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Brian Manzella said:
Could pass a basic test on the D-Plane that 1000 folks on this site could...

Today:

Regular Avid Golfer : 5-15% tops

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Average recreational golfer : Never?!

And according to PGA stats, 90% of the 50+ million golfers worldwide can't break 100 (honestly). Just imagine what all those duffers could do if they got a lesson from you and a primer on D-plane ...!!!! :eek:
 
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Average recreational
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Steve, it's Avid golfer, not average, might be semantics but it makes a big difference in my opinion. It's avid golfers like those who are on this site, they are seeking everything about information they can. Does not mean they can affect the d-plane exactly the way they want everytime but that they can answer questions about it. I'd like to see how basic the test Brian had in mind though, as the percentage of people that could pass the test goes way down when you start adding layers of complexity.
 
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Steve Greffen said:
Steve, it's Avid golfer, not average, might be semantics but it makes a big difference in my opinion. It's avid golfers like those who are on this site, they are seeking everything about information they can. Does not mean they can affect the d-plane exactly the way they want everytime but that they can answer questions about it. I'd like to see how basic the test Brian had in mind though, as the percentage of people that could pass the test goes way down when you start adding layers of complexity.
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I know avid versus recreational.... and I suspect some avid golfers can't break 100 honestly too. Would you classify a single or even a double bogey golfer with a controlled game an "avid" golfer...??? I would, even if somebody could only control their distance to 150 yards and in.

Just imagine dividing any golf course into 150 yard segments and less... and never losing a ball or incurring a penalty... that would be a decent accomplishment for most avid novice golfers. I've introduced golf to non-golfing friends... and only carried my 7 iron while helping them find their ball and I break 100 every time!!!! The more clubs I carry the worse I get...!!!! :eek:

As for Brian's D-plane test, I would think a "pass" would be achieving a mark of 90%... and only missing out on minor details. Either you know it or you don't... no 50 percenter passes!!!
 
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SteveT said:
Average recreational golfer : Never?!

And according to PGA stats, 90% of the 50+ million golfers worldwide can't break 100 (honestly). Just imagine what all those duffers could do if they got a lesson from you and a primer on D-plane ...!!!! :eek:
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Steve, you have quoted this stat several times. May I ask the source of it. As a player who can shoot in the 70's all week with someone else checking and keeping my score, I find it hard to believe that there aren't a few more (honestly) good golfers. Are we referring to anyone who plays a single round as a 'golfer' because we all know some of these jokers are not golfers, and could care less about the game or their ability to play it.
 
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magicmarker said:
Steve, you have quoted this stat several times. May I ask the source of it. As a player who can shoot in the 70's all week with someone else checking and keeping my score, I find it hard to believe that there aren't a few more (honestly) good golfers. Are we referring to anyone who plays a single round as a 'golfer' because we all know some of these jokers are not golfers, and could care less about the game or their ability to play it.
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mm... the PGA classifies anybody who owns a set of golf clubs and plays once a year a "golfer". Don't forget it's a stat that is worldwide and only not in 365 days of golf Sarasota. Playing in the 70's puts you in the top 0.5% of all "golfers" worldwide ... cherish your status and ignore the jokers because there's no helping them.

(honestly) good golfers are a scarce commodity... just like in any other sport where only a small fraction can perform at a decent level ... golf, tennis, basketball, hockey, even music. Dabblers abound, while skill is scarce!!
 
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ParHunter

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magicmarker said:
Steve, you have quoted this stat several times. May I ask the source of it. As a player who can shoot in the 70's all week with someone else checking and keeping my score, I find it hard to believe that there aren't a few more (honestly) good golfers. Are we referring to anyone who plays a single round as a 'golfer' because we all know some of these jokers are not golfers, and could care less about the game or their ability to play it.
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I've read similar statistics. According to this Average Golfer: Average Golfer Statistics. the average club handicap is 15.2 but the average score for amateurs is over 100. The difference is that golfers who maintain an active handicap are generally more avid golfers and play more often while your average amateur golfer really struggles to break 100.
 
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SteveT said:
Don't forget it's a stat that is worldwide and only not in 365 days of golf Sarasota. Playing in the 70's puts you in the top 0.5% of all "golfers" worldwide ... cherish your status and ignore the jokers because there's no helping them.
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Steve, I'll have you know that we went through a nasty winter that lasted approximately 3-4 days, my God was it cold. Can we settle for 360 days a year, every once in a while it will storm all day too.
I'm so focused on improving that I never cherish my 'status' but I do cherish the Florida sunshine.
I guess my point was that we shouldn't refer to the jokers as golfers because they don't care how they play and don't have any real interest in getting better. They're just there to escape the wife and kids for a few hours, and sneak some beers....
 
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ParHunter said:
I've read similar statistics. According to this Average Golfer: Average Golfer Statistics. the average club handicap is 15.2 but the average score for amateurs is over 100. The difference is that golfers who maintain an active handicap are generally more avid golfers and play more often while your average amateur golfer really struggles to break 100.
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Also according to this the average male golfer driving distance is 200-260 yards, I am not completely sure they know what an average is.
 
Todd Dugan

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Kevin Shields said:
Average number of PGA Tour players that dont care if they can explain anything...........90%
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True, true.............But, percentage of PGA Tour players who could help THEMSELVES get better if they had a good understanding of how the collision creates the ballflight.....................100%. And the same is true for everybody.
 
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