Kool-Aid?

[shortgamer]

Okay I'm a forum junkie and visit them everyday,fgi,gea, bombsquad and the tgm sites as well and there's something that bothers me. There's a guy giving instruction on damn near every site which is fine but what do you think about these ideas:
1. If you slice simply make your grip stronger untill the ball straightens and thats your natural grip because anything else is manipulation.
2.If you're hitting on the toe simply stand closer because thats your bodies natural position
3.Ball starts in direction of path and curves according to face angle.

 

[JPs]

Be Careful When Getting Tips Elsewhere.....

I'm also a forum junkie.... You have to be careful what you read when you head out of non-TGM sites. You have to find what personally works for you. For me it's TGM. I can't even read the tips on other sites because they start to cloud my mind. Most are junk anyways.

As far as what I think about those ideas you proposed.
1. Band Aid. Not a long term solution. Learn to do it right and don't worry about it.
2. Band Aid - Advice that was given to me on this site. But not by a TGM'er. It did not work for me. I felt I was jammed up on the way down and had to fight it off like an inside fastball. I corrected my toe problems by Plane Line tracing.
3. We know that the ball leaves the clubface at a 90 angle. So where ever the face is pointing at separation the ball is headed. At least initially.

 

[Burner]

Okay I'm a forum junkie and visit them everyday,fgi,gea, bombsquad and the tgm sites as well and there's something that bothers me. There's a guy giving instruction on damn near every site which is fine but what do you think about these ideas:
1. If you slice simply make your grip stronger untill the ball straightens and thats your natural grip because anything else is manipulation.
2.If you're hitting on the toe simply stand closer because thats your bodies natural position
3.Ball starts in direction of path and curves according to face angle.

Absolute rubbish, all three of them.

Stick to the TGM influenced sites.

 

[shortgamer]

I know they're rubbish. Hard to believe this dude has books and DVD's........

 

[Toolish]

Okay I'm a forum junkie and visit them everyday,fgi,gea, bombsquad and the tgm sites as well and there's something that bothers me. There's a guy giving instruction on damn near every site which is fine but what do you think about these ideas:
1. If you slice simply make your grip stronger untill the ball straightens and thats your natural grip because anything else is manipulation.
2.If you're hitting on the toe simply stand closer because thats your bodies natural position
3.Ball starts in direction of path and curves according to face angle.

1. Yep...go for it...strengthen that grip up until it is straight...now...go on fix some of those other faults....what is that, you are hooking it now....hmmm, wonder why that could be. Get it right, learn it right, avoid unnecessary compensations. If you are slicing with a grip that is neutral then there are other problems there. Strengthening it will help the symptom, but not the cause.

2. So if you address it in the middle, then hit the toe, something is changing, body angle or swing radius. Again, standing closer may help, and it may be the right thing to do if you are overly bent over or stretching for the ball at address....but, this needs to be an error for the start...toe balls could be because of a number of reasons...need to find the cause...seeing a trend here yet.

3. Crap...Ball starts approx 90° to face angle, it may be a little bit off during extreme circumstances. Think about the vertical aspect of the swing. At impact the path is down, but the face of the club is up...where does the ball go...same for horizontal!

EDIT:Sorry, thought these were your ideas...who teaches this shit!

 

[mrodock]

3. We know that the ball leaves the clubface at a 90 angle. So where ever the face is pointing at separation the ball is headed. At least initially.

I didn't think this was true, at least according to Search for the Perfect Swing, anyone know the studies on this? Have Stobbs, et al. been disproven or am I just remembering incorrectly?

Matt

 

[mrodock]

2.If you're hitting on the toe simply stand closer because thats your bodies natural position

I think this can be a very good idea, but has to be experimented with. If your arms start running into your body, well that won't work so well such as JPs laid out. However, there have been some phenomenal ballstrikers that have addressed the ball off the toe or heel, George Knudsen and Luke Donald immediately come to mind and neither strikes me as having a highly compensated swing, quite the contrary. They may very well be slightly off the sweet spot plane coming down. To me if you can repeatedly come down JUST OFF the sweet spot plane making a minor set-up compensation COULD be quite intelligent, certainly it might be disruptive. The idea of someone addressing the ball with really relaxed arms and having more out as they get to impact makes a lot of sense too. I like TGM as much as most of you, I just don't think this is terrible advice if approached intelligently.

Matt

 

[jr33]

perfect impact?

Okay I'm a forum junkie and visit them everyday,fgi,gea, bombsquad and the tgm sites as well and there's something that bothers me. There's a guy giving instruction on damn near every site which is fine but what do you think about these ideas:
1. If you slice simply make your grip stronger untill the ball straightens and thats your natural grip because anything else is manipulation.
2.If you're hitting on the toe simply stand closer because thats your bodies natural position
3.Ball starts in direction of path and curves according to face angle.

Sound like perfect impact.

 

[jmessner]

Pretty much true...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JPs
3. We know that the ball leaves the clubface at a 90 angle. So where ever the face is pointing at separation the ball is headed. At least initially.

I didn't think this was true, at least according to Search for the Perfect Swing, anyone know the studies on this? Have Stobbs, et al. been disproven or am I just remembering incorrectly?

Matt

Well, it's basically true - a lot more accurate than the ball starts on the direction of the swingpath. Cochran & Stobbs showed the ball starting path is nearly 80% due to clubface angle and maybe 20% due to path. Jorgensen in "The Physics of Golf" comes up with basically the same numbers.

 

[mrodock]

Well, it's basically true - a lot more accurate than the ball starts on the direction of the swingpath. Cochran & Stobbs showed the ball starting path is nearly 80% due to clubface angle and maybe 20% due to path. Jorgensen in "The Physics of Golf" comes up with basically the same numbers.

Ok, cool, that was about what I remembered, thanks.

 

[self-mastery]

Okay I'm a forum junkie and visit them everyday,fgi,gea, bombsquad and the tgm sites as well and there's something that bothers me. There's a guy giving instruction on damn near every site which is fine but what do you think about these ideas:
1. If you slice simply make your grip stronger untill the ball straightens and thats your natural grip because anything else is manipulation.
2.If you're hitting on the toe simply stand closer because thats your bodies natural position
3.Ball starts in direction of path and curves according to face angle.

Sounds worst than kool-aid and more like food coloring and sugar.