Lag pressure

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Few questions for discussion really...perhaps come to mind recently after Brians recent YouTube show 5 on Nicklaus...

PLEASE note that i am not getting into discussion as to whether lag pressure sensed at impact is really occuring at impact ... nor as to whether sustaining lag pressure enables one to resist impact deceleration...Mandrin has been there before!!;)

What it is about is ....

why do most players never really experience this sensation?

Does the tendency to random sweep load ( like most pros teach nowadays - the "early set position") mean that the onset of lag pressure is experienced so gradually that you never really notice?

Is that why the Snap loading that Nicklaus used and Brian demos is better introduction to lag pressure ( NOTE i do not say better way to swing... just better way to learn and experience what lag pressure feells like)

To maximise your sensation of lag pressure do you want it delivered to pp3 as rapidly as possible ( either snap load or use the drill of right index finger off the shaft , see old manzella video answer) ... ie. form zero lag pressure to max lag pressure over very short time period...

OR

Load with as much inertial force as possible ( maybe weighted clubhead)?


OR

maximum inertial force and rapid onset!

Once experienced as a sensation does that mean that you can go back to sweep loading and pick up the more subtle lag sensation that this produces?

If your load rapidly and late... does that mean that an inexperienced player is likely to throw away rapidly and early?

Lots of questions... grateful for any answers please. thanks!

Also... been thinking of "visual equivalents of lag pressure"... i remember some gadget with water in that you hold and then shoot out at the ball ... is that in one of Brian's videos... also Ben does his shoot the ball out the shaft stuff too.. anybody add a few more?

Slightly annoyed that i spent too much of my golf life with too little experience of lag pressure... never really felt the shaft bend much... just loaded early and gradually and threw it away slowly and in controlled fashion... playable but not enough to really mash the ball with!:D
 
Hi Rich,
Do you think also the position of the right fore finger on the grip has an influence to how much pressure you can sense in pp3.

matt
 

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Lag pressure in pp#3

How acute is this feeling and what is it that is really experienced?

For years I have searched for that elusive lag pressure feeling in pp#3 and never yet truly appreciated it. However, every time I get home from the Range my right forefinger hurts like h3ll!

Am I overlooking the obvious?

Jim, got four hours to spare?
 

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why do most players never really experience this sensation (lag pressure)?

They flip because they have bad grips, ball position too far back, terrible pivots, and open clubfaces. The ones with closed faces steer so bad they hit up on the ball. Plus, most teachers have NO IDEA what LAG PRESSURE is.

Does the tendency to random sweep load ( like most pros teach nowadays - the "early set position") mean that the onset of lag pressure is experienced so gradually that you never really notice?

Absolutely.

Not only that, but some "so called book literalists" teach a takeaway and pivot so weak—and a swing sooooo far inside-out-that the only way someone can hit down on it is to have the ball way too far back in the stance. Junk.

Is that why the Snap loading that Nicklaus used and Brian demos is better introduction to lag pressure ( NOTE i do not say better way to swing... just better way to learn and experience what lag pressure feells like)

Sometimes, it is the ONLY way to get in their coconut.

Float loading at least. (Nicklaus had SNAP Loading and FLOAT Loading)

To maximise your sensation of lag pressure do you want it delivered to pp3 as rapidly as possible ( either snap load or use the drill of right index finger off the shaft , see old manzella video answer) ... ie. form zero lag pressure to max lag pressure over very short time period...

Yup.

But you had beter be able to SUSTAIN that sharp pressure!

OR

Flip.

Load with as much inertial force as possible ( maybe weighted clubhead)?

A wet mop and a dry floor will do just fine.

Once experienced as a sensation does that mean that you can go back to sweep loading and pick up the more subtle lag sensation that this produces?

What ever produce the best alignments.

If your load rapidly and late... does that mean that an inexperienced player is likely to throw away rapidly and early?

Not in my 25 years of experience.

:eek:
 
Many many thanks!

So many questions and now the answers...thank you!

Should have called the thread "everything you need to know about lag pressure but were afraid to ask"!

So much better understanding now!
 
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