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EdZ

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Just wanted to get opinions on them.... personally, I find them very helpful to get people swinging well. Give em' a decent setup, a heavy club and/or laser and a flat lead wrist and good shots aren't far off. Throw in some forearm rotation..... and understand a pendulum for the short game.

Add range balls, some balance and then stir, and you've got yourself a single digit player
 
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revert

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I haven't tried one yet but have been considering it. Is the leadbetter one any good or they all about the same?
 
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EdZ

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A laser is a laser IMO..... I have just used regular pointer lasers and/or flashlights taped or strapped to the club.

Having one in both directions is nice... just one on the butt doesn't help the takeaway much.
 
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IMO, a straight line is better, even if you have one that is slightly inside (i.e. draw) however if you are a big slicer, google leadbetter's "lazer" and look at a pic to see his, which is a curved line that goes from inside/outside.

A straight line = on plane
 
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hue

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EdZ: I am thinking of getting one. Could you go into detail how you use a laser in training? Others are welcome to chime in.
 
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EdZ

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It's fairly simple, actually, you can just use a flashlight that has a relatively focused beam. Swing it hip to hip, tracing a straight line on the ground.

As always, a good, balanced, arms hanging, setup, and neutral grip is key.

You can get any of the standard laser pointers, and just tape it to a club, one pointing up, one down (be careful not to shine in your eyes, very bad).

As long as you are tracing the line with both lights, going back and through, you are on plane.

Feel your 'center' (basically sternum) and from hip to hip, the light on the butt of the club stays relatively fixed there, while the other traces the line (or comes just inside).

Be aware of your hand/forearm rotation when doing this. There is some slight rotation, more on the downswing, but it stays in synch with your torso rotation (same tempo). Experiment with 'lots' of lead forearm rotation on the downswing, when you feel the hook, and the back of your left hand/clubface, back off and get your forearm and body rotation in synch. A metronome really, really, really helps with this.

Watch Payne Stewarts swing, his is a great example of the free flowing tracing of that line, and in synch/tempo arm rotation.

All the better to do this with a slightly heavy club, it will help you get the 'swing' of this.

The momentus strength trainer is great one, don't get one that is too heavy, but having the weight above and below the hands really helps you get the one peice takeaway feel, on plane. The standard momentus is great too, but doesn't quite help that takeaway feel as much.

Also, experiment with the feel of coming inside/out, and outside/in, especially with the heavy club. When you know the extremes, you can get the middle.

Let the club swing you, then feel like you swing it (your torso).

When you go back to your clubs at the range, imagine the target line, and imagine you are shining that light out of the end of the hosel. Straight back, very slightly inside, but the clubhead stays outside the hands, don't roll it in. And keep the face/back of left hand from too much rotation (experiment with extremes).

The clubface rotates slightly on the shaft, but the shaft stays on that line.

Hope that helps.
 
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Thanks EdZ. So do you only use the laser training from hip hight to hip hight on the back and through swing? What about the double shift in the backswing and downswing and the follow through beyond hip hight are there any drills where the laser is used there? Thanks for your post that was most helpful.
 
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Hue - no, I use it for the full swing too.

A couple other thoughts that may help....

at halfway back, your wrists have cocked (right back, left flat and on plane) the laser on the butt of the club should then be on the line.

Practice the pump drill doing this.

And the best image I can give for this:

Hogan's pane of glass.

People think this is wrong, but they focus on the lead shoulder being under the glass.

It is the RIGHT shoulder you should focus on being under Hogan's 'glass'.

The laser IS the glass, and it slots in between your right shoulder/neck on the backswing, and in between your left shoulder/neck in the through swing.

The toe of the club rotates from 90 degrees to the 'glass', to on it, to 90 degrees, to on it.

This is subject to debate, as some think the face stays square to its arc, but for me, the forces involved 'help' you without conscious manipulation of your hands holding it square (i.e. 90 degrees, toe away from glass)

This is done via forearm rotation. The back of your lead hand should be thought of as your clubface.

The feel is almost like you are dragging the back of your left hand on the ground, while rotating the forearms fairly hard (harder than most think, but once you 'get it', you 'get it' and can keep it in synch with the body turn
 
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EdZ

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the correct angle is there at setup yes? the shaft, the slot over the shoulder.

When I use a laser, and stay 'inside' and 'under' it, my angle is right on. Hogan's glass image over the shoulders does it for me, right shoulder on the backswing, left on the follow through.

As long as you don't roll it over the plane going back, this really helps the people I've shown it to. (I imagine Mickey Wright's swing, which does the trick every time!)

Also, given the proper takeaway and balance, the laser also gives me the correct angle.

Can you elaborate on checkpoints for the angle as you see them?
 
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Martee

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

I could be on the EAR plane and still trace the plane line.

Also CLUBFACE is not shown with a laser or light.
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The angle you are referencing is the sweetspot plane angle (adjust club lie angle)?

I am not sure the laser or light was intended to show clubface. I would think it would take two or possible 3 to determine this accurately and that would be difficult for the eye to detect a small difference. It would be neat as that would give a golfer a different prespective on the clubface position throughout the golf swing.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Martee...thanks for the question...and for all the debate on this and other site. I repsect your attempts at explaining yourself AND wanting to learn about the golf swing.

The EAR plane??
 
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Martee

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I don't understand the answer you gave. I assumed when you said ear plane you were referring to a plane angle that is through the ear to the plane line defined at setup or impact fix using the clubshaft lie angle(sweetspot lie angle). In short a plane shift in back stroke.

I see what I copied was incomplete
quote:Laser aids help.

BUT....remember, it only shows PLANE LINE....NOT! angle!!!
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Maybe I am missing something between the posts here.
 
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