Leadbetter fan speaks..

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Here is a post from the www.4gea.com board. Thought it was quite amusing.Leadbetter comeup with all of his theories on his own!! Don't know the person who wrote it but he is a huge leadbeter fan. I am not the author of this thread, just copied and pasted.

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You may not like Leadbetter as many others on this DB, but no one has influenced the way the game is taught more than Lead. His book, "The Swing" gave instructors a whole new language, helped push the use video by using lines, helped to define the plane of the swing in a different way and many others. Guys like Rick Smith took a lot from Leadbetter, Jim McLean, Jim Flick and even Butch take terms and definitions from him.

Prior to Leadbetter, who talked of spine angle? Early wrist set? Quiet legs? Using big muscles? Everyone will find ways to discredit him and give credit to their favorite teachers but there is no denying who positively changed the way the game is taught.

He is an innovator and revolutionary. Because of that people like to trash him like they did Galileo and Christopher Columbus.

On another note, he develops new talent more than anyone else. And his clones are doing well at that too. He does not just take good pros and try to make them better. He and his staff as well as former staff, has put a lot of people on the PGA and LPGA tours.

G-man
 
Brian meant to say that Bob Tway and Sandy Lyle both saw Leadbetter to enhance their games...during that time, both went to POT! After many struggling years, Bob Tway had a conversation with his old Oklahoma State University golf coach, Mike Holder (G.S.E.D.) who convinced Bob to go back to the swing that got him on tour.

What happened....Tway won again and has been having very solid years since leaving ole Lead!

Sandy Lyle....has never come back to form. Lyle had his own natural swing that many could pick apart for his less than stelar style. However, he did win a Masters and several Euro events with that swing...Enter Lead, not so good anymore!

FL-John
 
The best "example" is a sure-fire top 5 superstar from the mid 1980s. The 2nd Watson - So African, Denis Watson. I watched DL destroy Denis on the range at the 1988 PGA by trying to morph him into a clone of Watson's fellow So African, Nick Price. This was Lead's classic early cookie cutter philosophy.

And let's not forget Dave the Delagger's work with Howell, who has sunk from a Tour Championship regular to a field player.
 

Mathew

Banned
Leadbetter is a bedwetter !

Oh and trust me - if leadbetter was well versed in TGM he wouldn't be teaching the 2nd rate tossfilled junk that he does.
 
Leadbetter gets the finest juniors in the world and then stagnates them. It takes a special skill to screw up the very talented. Leadbetter got never except a student like Brian or Holenone does and turn their game around.

Let me ask this: Is it more important to have TGM produce a few champions at the highest level on the tour or would an extremely high success rate with the average world of golfers, say produce low handicappers, make TGM the best instruction, regardless of its following on the tour.
 
Some of both would be good.

How many Authorized Instructors are listed in the Top 100 Teachers?

I know several have been their P.G.A. Section Teacher of the Year.
G. Kelnhofer-GA
Tom Ness-GA
Brian-KY
Chuck Cook-National P.G.A. Teacher of the Year
Mike Hebron-National P.G.A. Teacher of the Year

Who else? Probably Mr. Doyle and Greg McHatton
 
Concerning Leadbetter.

I couldn't agree more that he is more of a marketing guru than swing guru. His verse in TGM I believe came from Tom Tomasello. I have been told that Leadbetter chased him around for years trying to get more info on TGM.
 
Tom generated a lot of interest in TGM in the Southern U.S.A. and the Eastern states. Many of the Australians in TGM also got help from Tom, and many others. Tom's influence on Jodie Mudd, Sally Little, Mike Holder and others, probably filtered over to David.
 

DDL

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I think that the success rate of students of TGM trained instructors could be somewhat skewed. Not an unreasonable assumption that those who seek instruction from TGM trained instructors study the golf swing in more depth than, are more open-minded than, and accept challenges more readily than the average hack taking lessons, even from an expensive, famous golf academy.
 
Ever seen his swing? You can see it in The Golf Channel's DVD/video:
David Leadbetter's Four Ways To Shoot Lower Scores.

It's not terrible, but he neither employs correct hitting or swing actions. Instead, he leans down on the downswing, thus powering his arms. A move many people don't know about. It works OK, but is neither an optimal swinging or hitting action.

I don't think Homer Kelly mentioned this move in TGM. Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't claim to be an expert on TGM.
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

The best "example" is a sure-fire top 5 superstar from the mid 1980s. The 2nd Watson - So African, Denis Watson. I watched DL destroy Denis on the range at the 1988 PGA by trying to morph him into a clone of Watson's fellow So African, Nick Price. This was Lead's classic early cookie cutter philosophy.

And let's not forget Dave the Delagger's work with Howell, who has sunk from a Tour Championship regular to a field player.

Dennis Watson's swing is such a simple motion, how could/did lead screw it up?
 
quote:Originally posted by lagster

Some of both would be good.

How many Authorized Instructors are listed in the Top 100 Teachers?

I know several have been their P.G.A. Section Teacher of the Year.
G. Kelnhofer-GA
Tom Ness-GA
Brian-KY
Chuck Cook-National P.G.A. Teacher of the Year
Mike Hebron-National P.G.A. Teacher of the Year

Who else? Probably Mr. Doyle and Greg McHatton

Ron Gring?
 
Marketing makes the world go around, especially in the USA.
Now lets face it TGM IS THE SYSTEM THAT IS AVAILIBLE NOW! However is is so poorly marketed what do we expect. Lets get our marketing hats on and put on a better dog and pony show. I cant stand to see Leadbetter charging what he does for an incomplete delagging unlawful switting method!
 
I think someone has the right to be critical of David Leadbetter when someone like Ernie Els knocks on their door. Until then we should ask what Ernie knows? David has been evolving as an instructor and he is not a rigid when teaching as he was when he was younger. But, I have watched on the Golf Channel David give some great lessons. Denis Watson was in decline before he worked with David as was Sandy Lyle. Charles Howell is becoming a fine player. I think Brain is the best instructor in the US. But, David Leadbetter, in my opinion, is a fine instructor. His list of students who have done well is endless. I don't see Ernie falling off the map!
 
Yes, Leadbetter may not be perfect but he is way better than some of the criticism he gets. He did good things with Faldo and lets not forget Nick Price. Even Norman, who had been very critical of him, was happy when they ended up working together. He is possibly the best of the "conventional" instructor crowd. I myself would have no trouble going to Yoda and Brian before him tho. I have seen many firsthand accounts of people not being happy after Leadbetter camps etc, but i am yet to see a criticism of Brian and Yoda. Nothing but absolutely glowing reports actually. It is also evident in here just how much passion, confidence and effort Brian puts into his teaching. I would love to be defogged by him, and if i lived anywhere near him i would be knocking on his door.
 

Brian Manzella

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If there were only two channels on TV (heaven forbid),

and I was teaching on one channel---and Lead on the other----

I would have 90% of the viewers in a week.
 
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