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I know there are lots of "haters" around but I just rented David Leadbetter: The Modern Golf and I can honestly say it was pretty good. I'm no expert but I took several things away from it. It showed Chuck Howell's swing in super slow mo..........dude's got lag like Hogan. What do you guy's think of his swing?

PS I'm curious if anyone else has seen this series and what you thought.
 

Brian Manzella

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How many times....

Me and Good Ole Lead (who btw, is a nice enough guy)

Back in 1998, one of Louisville's most famous citiizens, John Schnatter—Papa John of Papa John's Pizza fame—was hittting balls next to a friend of his, who was taking lessons from Mike Finney.

Papa John was hitting these little weak wedges out there and after I videoed Mike's student at his request, I asked John if he wanted to see his swing. He did.

It didn't look that good,to be honest. To top it off, his grip was no better than the 30 handicap-variety. I asked him to hit a little pitch shot. He hit one that had more clubhead throwaway then a PhillyMic lob shot. I asked for a lower one. He repeated the extra-poor pitch shot.

He then started to tell me about LINK 1 and LINK 2 and how David Leadbetter was his teacher and stayed at his house and how they had spent a LOT of time on his swing.

Really? I said, trying to keep my eyes from rolling back in my head.

"All I know is....you ought to be able to hit a little pitch on the way down like this"...BAM...I hit one of those pitches that Leadbetter probably likes, but can't seem to do for the cameras in one of those 10,000 articles that he has wriiten...and I nodded and walked away.

A couple of days later John called Mike and asked to take lessons from us.

Six months later, after taking dozens of lessons from us, Papa John went from maybe 95 shooter to sometimes 75 shooter.

Really.

EVERY SINGLE NEW THING I taught him, he would say Leadbetter told him the exact opposite.

"Really?" I'd say....well....he's wrong and this is why.....

So after maybe $50,000 dollars worth of lessons from the "WORLD's #1 coach," he was now listening and IMPROVING RAPIDLY from the world #1 Cocky Italian Ya'T .

About a year later, John played in a pro-am with David Frost at the Doral Tour event.

John shot 74 and dove it by Frosty more than a few times (from the member tees....but still!).

A few months later David Leadbetter and David Frost took MY STUDENT (and Mike's) to Augusta to pitch an informercial idea to John, where John would say he learned it all (phooey!) from Leadbetter.

Lucky for me, Papa John can buy and sell the suitors into slavery, and declined the (dishonest) offer.

Oh by the way, John beat Lead 83 to 87.

Just another story for what'll be a really good (true story) book one day.
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I've never said I'm even close to being an expert but I honestly didn't see much that sounded "wrong". I like you a lot Brian, just a curious question. If this guy is really a piece of "junk", how did he ever get in front of players like Howell, Wie, etc..

PS Do you like Howell's swing.
 

Brian Manzella

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Junk?

Never said he was junk.

Just said he was over-rated and I could out teach, out play, out ball strike, out debate, out TV, out Video, out write and out entertain him.

Charles Howell make a good pass at it. He has had MANY other teachers though.
 
I'm not sure how far down the yellow brick road you have traveled, but I'm guessing that anyone that has spent a significant amount of time around the yellow book will have a better understanding of the golf swing than someone that receives their advice from TGC or golf magazines. Maybe Lead made more sense to you because you have a good understanding of the golf swing, but wouldn't really help a less informed golfer?
 
Many things he talked about has been mentioned on this forum or others similar BUT just explained in a different way. For instance Brian has mentioned before of throwing clubs. DL showed a drill where he literally threw a club out of his hands. For some reason I thought Brian just wanted us to swing LIKE we were going to throw a club, not actually do it. My fault for not understanding this the first time I guess. I'm definitely going to find an open area and toss some around a bit. Another drill had the same feeling as the twist away at the top...once again, just a different way to get there. I still recommend this to golfing video "ho's". The special effects are very cool.

But before you do anything first, just make sure you have all of Brian's videos!

PS I got mine from Netflix (free trial period) so it didn't cost me a penny.
 
Not trying to start anything but I found this interesting. Earlier this year a question was brought up on who's swing they liked the best this year. Many said Trevor Immelman. Guess who his swing coach is?? Yep
 
claude harmon!

Not trying to start anything but I found this interesting. Earlier this year a question was brought up on who's swing they liked the best this year. Many said Trevor Immelman. Guess who his swing coach is?? Yep

yes, thats right they work together in the merchant city in glasgow believe it or not.

were you thinking leads?
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Leadbetter has made his name on Faldo and Price and has allowed him the opportunity to publish books and dvds which are basically completely full of drills that nobody ever does. I am sure he has a drill to place the dvd in the dvd player. I recently had an internet lesson from one of his top men who gave me this ridiculous idea that i should angle a shaft in the ground behind my right leg with one end pushing into the back of my knee. The idea being that the knee does not straighten at all. Needless to say i have yet to do this.
 
Leadbetter has made his name on Faldo and Price and has allowed him the opportunity to publish books and dvds which are basically completely full of drills that nobody ever does. I am sure he has a drill to place the dvd in the dvd player. I recently had an internet lesson from one of his top men who gave me this ridiculous idea that i should angle a shaft in the ground behind my right leg with one end pushing into the back of my knee. The idea being that the knee does not straighten at all. Needless to say i have yet to do this.


Yeah and I'm sure Wie, Howell, etc. just got hooked on those nice looking illustrations in those books/dvds. I'm sure that's the only reason they see him. Sorry but c'mon dude.
 
Never said he was junk.

Just said he was over-rated and I could out teach, out play, out ball strike, out debate, out TV, out Video, out write and out entertain him.

Charles Howell make a good pass at it. He has had MANY other teachers though.

I RARELY EVER laugh out load reading forums but this takes the cake. I've got to have the pleasure of having a beer with you someday. Cuz THAT was funny:)
 
I RARELY EVER laugh out load reading forums but this takes the cake. I've got to have the pleasure of having a beer with you someday. Cuz THAT was funny:)

Agreed......lol for sure....

I think the only one he left out was out-house........although.......;)

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What's I M G?
 
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