Left heel lifts or not lift?????

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Backswing??? Does the left heel lift or not? What advantages are there in lifting verse not lifting? Flexiblity plays a part I suspect most think. I don't think that a more flexible player has to lift nor does a non flexible player.


I do think many swing errors are caused by the lifting of the left heel.

Oldtimers started all the left heel lifting. Did they have to? Would not they have been as long or longer and so much more accurate?

Did Homer (TGM) mention anything about the left heel lifting?

Rick
 
Left heel gets PULLED off not lifted off. Pulled off by what? By the pivot (body) turning on the backstroke.

Allow it to be pulled off if you want a maximum participation swing.

Either way, your feet act as anchors providing stability.

Make sure you don't:
1) Loose balance
2) Sway your head
3) Reverse pivot
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Left heel gets PULLED off not lifted off. Pulled off by what? By the pivot (body) turning on the backstroke.

Allow it to be pulled off if you want a maximum participation swing.

Either way, your feet act as anchors providing stability.

Make sure you don't:
1) Loose balance
2) Sway your head
3) Reverse pivot
Leo: Is right. Provided the left heel is pulled up by the backstroke pivot there is no problem.If you are not flexible you will tend to have to have the left heel pulled up in order to make a Full backstroke pivot.
 
Right it gets pulled. Brian does not have any of this in his swing. I suspect Homer does not recommend this either. Full participation does not have to include the pulling of the left heel up. Pivot can be done pretty efficient without it even coming up.

What disadvantages do you see with the heel being pulled up verse the heel staying down? Does this have anything to do with the way the weight gets shifted in the downswing?

Rick
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by rickck3115

What disadvantages do you see with the heel being pulled up verse the heel staying down? Does this have anything to do with the way the weight gets shifted in the downswing?

Rick
The disadvantages are relative to the lack of flexability in that the only reason the left heel gets pulled up is because it has to to enable a full backstroke pivot. Jack Nicklaus raised his heel but his first move in the downstroke was to replant it. This is not a big issue. Lynn blake raised this at Canton when asked the same kind of question you are making. I think he said it was not a big issue and any teacher getting hung up on it is really "shuffling deck chairs".
 
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quote:Originally posted by rickck3115

What disadvantages do you see with the heel being pulled up verse the heel staying down? Does this have anything to do with the way the weight gets shifted in the downswing?

Rick
The disadvantages are relative to the lack of flexability in that the only reason the left heel gets pulled up is because it has to to enable a full backstroke pivot. Jack Nicklaus raised his heel but his first move in the downstroke was to replant it. This is not a big issue. Lynn blake raised this at Canton when asked the same kind of question you are making. I think he said it was not a big issue and any teacher getting hung up on it is really "shuffling deck chairs".

Hue, Some of the best teachers in the world suggest you not let the left heel come up. Lynn Blake made the comment. I do not know of this teacher.. Many of the longest most accurate hitter do not let it come up. Take Bobby Wilson from Canada. He does not let it come up and he has won more money then anyone in the sport of LDA.

Time for Brian to chime in.
 

hue

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Hue, Some of the best teachers in the world suggest you not let the left heel come up.
By "best" that could also mean "big name" and a lot of them are "Shuffling Deck Chairs".
 

EdZ

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many swingers NEED to 'let' that heel come up - most average players are not anywhere near as flexible as they think they are! Most of the issues with raising the heel are really issues of the right leg not staying at the same angle - a sway.

Hitters should avoid it and keep a more 'stable' base - a shorter whip
 
quote:Originally posted by EdZ

many swingers NEED to 'let' that heel come up - most average players are not anywhere near as flexible as they think they are! Most of the issues with raising the heel are really issues of the right leg not staying at the same angle - a sway.

Hitters should avoid it and keep a more 'stable' base - a shorter whip

EdZ,

How can I tell whether or not a Swinger 'needs' to let their heel come up? Is there a benchmark or something?

Thanks.
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

many swingers NEED to 'let' that heel come up - most average players are not anywhere near as flexible as they think they are! Most of the issues with raising the heel are really issues of the right leg not staying at the same angle - a sway.

Hitters should avoid it and keep a more 'stable' base - a shorter whip

EdZ,

How can I tell whether or not a Swinger 'needs' to let their heel come up? Is there a benchmark or something?

Thanks.

Generally speaking 'swingers' do better to get to a full shoulder turn, left shoulder 'under' the chin . The shoulder turn and hands should maintain their 'relative' relationships - to get the general idea, practice with a constant angle between the left arm and shoulder line (Mike Austin's "keeping the '7'") - this keeps the relationship between the hands and chest moving properly through impact (the straight 'spoke' from 'center' to PP#1). Extensor action helps greatly. The important key is that the hands to chest relationship is a 'result' of proper Rhythm, and not a tension inducing move (but will likely be as you try this drill the first times). There must be a 'swinging motion'

The longer the backswing (swingers going to 'end') the more shoulder turn. A hitter goes only to 'top' in large part to maintain the hands to chest relationship - less timing involved -

maintaining the right leg angle, and getting the 'back to the target' are important 'swingers' keys - see VJ's coil for a great example. This also helps ensure the momentum transfer of the 'cracking whip' that moves up from the left foot, through the body, and through the hands at impact.
 

Brian Manzella

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I can hit it 20 yeards farther lifting my left LEG on the backswing.

Having said that...I teach both, depends on the golfer...but the hands pull the shoulders pulls the hips pull the knees pull the left foot OFF OF THE GROUND!
 
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Having said that...I teach both, depends on the golfer...but the hands pull the shoulders pulls the hips pull the knees pull the left foot OFF OF THE GROUND!

Interestingly, this is all reversed in the downstroke.
 
Speaking as totally clueless and maybe not really getting to the heart of the matter, so take this with a pinch of salt..
Not seen any mention of the left knee's role in all this. If I let it bend a little more, and let it rotate more with the pivot I can keep it down (without any slack). I see some guys trying this both knees pointing slightly out method and try to lock it all the way back.
 
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