Left leg / foot pull away on downswing

[rickck3115]

Brian, Howdy! Say I have asked this question to teaching pros all over and nobody can figure it out.
Your turn. Here is the question. On the downswing, ones left leg and foot pulls away, and he or she ends up not getting any leverage on there shots. They loose atleast 50 to 75 yards min.. They are long ball hitters. Irons, this does not happen. Long Irons are fine also. Practice swings before the ball are great, just to many over the driver swings that suck. Loads of talent in these swings. But it's not talent that is messing with that driver.

Do you have anything that will work for them? They don't like the word, TRY this,as TRY is not a word in there volcabulary. TRY is to fail. Lets see if you can come up with do this or work on this to correct ones errors.

Thanks my friend.

Rick

 

[EdZ]

sounds like they are trying to hit 'up' on the drives

 

[Brian Manzella]

Simple:

If you have enough REAR END over the left leg WHEN the hips really fire, the foot and leg won't move.

If you DO...they WON'T.

Root cause: Usually an open face.

 

[rickck3115]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Simple:

If you have enough REAR END over the left leg WHEN the hips really fire, the foot and leg won't move.

If you DO...they WON'T.

Root cause: Usually an open face.

Very good Brian. Now being they do not do it with any of the long irons. What would you suggest they work on? I hear you on REAR END not over the left leg.

How would you appoarch this for permanent correction? To them this is a puzzle, as I have said there Irons are fine.

With more time with in the length of the driver swing verse irons, they are confused to why it does not happen automatically with there driver .

Any suggestions on a drill or drills to get them going. Would you not agree they should have a feel for what is correct over what is not being done? We don't want them to lunge, or force it to happen. Or do they need to force the action to by pass what is blocking this movement?

Regards

Rick

 

[shaun515]

First post, but a long time lurker. This subject rickck3115 brings up, is very interesting. It seems to have a fond interest with all the hits. I would like also to know what Brian would recommend to correct it. A drill or combination of drills. I must say I have seen bunches of this on the course.

Excellent information site. Well excepted!

Thanks Brian

Shaun

 

[Brian Manzella]

For the most part, golfers either SLIDE then turn or TURN than slide.

Getting the hips to turn going back—and I like to tell my students RIGHT HIP—is the first step.

Read this article: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=542

Then this one: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=614

 

[shaun515]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

For the most part, golfers either SLIDE then turn or TURN than slide.

Getting the hips to turn going back—and I like to tell my students RIGHT HIP—is the first step.

Read this article: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=542

Then this one: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=614

Well Brian, I am glad you reported back. Actually the pivot as you say, I suspect is not the problem. If they hit the ball a long ways as rickck3115 has mentioned.

I expected you to bring forth the right hand grip pressure as the culprit. The right hand can make the body not do a lot of things correctly. Right hand can make you block, cause pivot problems, over the top.

I have guys pivot exactly as you say, but fail, do to the right hand pressure.

What do you think Brian, grip pressure? If Irons are good, how can one have a pivot problem? There has to be more to it than pivot?

Your teaching must bring forth more, please elaborate a bit more on the real problems?

Shaun

 

[shaun515]

Brian, I noticed in your swing, you have very little knee flex. Shouldn't you have more right knee flex and retain the flex throughout impact? Seems you would hit it further and more accurate.

http://www.longdrivers.com/powertips/index.html

I think most all would be better players if they would retain that knee flex longer into the swing.

 

[rosser]

quote:Originally posted by shaun515

quote:Originally posted by brianman

For the most part, golfers either SLIDE then turn or TURN than slide.

Getting the hips to turn going back—and I like to tell my students RIGHT HIP—is the first step.

Read this article: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=542

Then this one: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=614

Well Brian, I am glad you reported back. Actually the pivot as you say, I suspect is not the problem. If they hit the ball a long ways as rickck3115 has mentioned.

I expected you to bring forth the right hand grip pressure as the culprit. The right hand can make the body not do a lot of things correctly. Right hand can make you block, cause pivot problems, over the top.

I have guys pivot exactly as you say, but fail, do to the right hand pressure.

What do you think Brian, grip pressure? If Irons are good, how can one have a pivot problem? There has to be more to it than pivot?

Your teaching must bring forth more, please elaborate a bit more on the real problems?

Shaun

Shaun, you are exactly right on. The pivot very easy to do. The failure is in the hunds. That right hand has to have no voids, only the trick is to throw the club with a soft right hand and never hold on tighter throughout impact. Most do not know how to throw, there fore they always grip (hold) too tight and then when they actually think loosen it up a bit, they fail to make it a complete deal. The right hand is a pivot wrecker if you don't know how to throw.

Get the hold right, get the pivot working. Left foot,left leg pulling away is caused by the right hand hold. I bet those folks hit a lot of blocks, and tail right "open face". Right hund problem number 1.

Ask any good pitcher if he holds tight to throw a baseball???

As for knee bend, watch that one. You sure do not want too much. Brian is at the limit now.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Rosser—the "problem" is the clubface...that is INFLUNENCING the pivot.

Shaun, Samual Jackson Snead hit it as long as hit needed to.

and....to whom it may concern....this gif of me swinging is to prove I could do any pattern. This one is not my "best" playing pattern.

 

[rickck3115]

Brian, If your call is the clubface? Your fix is the pivot? Why then are long irons not the same problem? Why can't it be the hands? Grip Pressure? Actually I had them do the pivot as you have drawn out , and they both blocked them even worse. Having them more aware of there grip pressure, they had straighter shots. Please go in to more detail on this problem.

I can see by the views it is a hot topic. More folks in this same boat.

Thanks

Rick

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

What is their ballflight like with those "bad driver" shots rick?

 

[BigBadDonkey]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

For the most part, golfers either SLIDE then turn or TURN than slide.

Getting the hips to turn going back—and I like to tell my students RIGHT HIP—is the first step.

Read this article: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=542

Then this one: http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=614

Ya know what it's funny. I had another read of that backswing article the other day that you wrote , Brian. The hip turn starting the backswing sounded goofy to me. Anyway, I went out yesterday concentrating on more hip turn going back, not really starting the swing (I need to get my hands and arms more involved, like a RFP) but just getting involved more, getting that right hip going diagonally round, something I've never thought about . Basically felt a less tighter swing to me with more movementfreedom.
Was mashing everything! longer , straighter

 

[rickck3115]

Alrighty then. they have gone from the left foot, left leg pulling away, blocks. To a whole lot of pulls now? Irons which where very good. To irons that also are pulling?

Ball is going a long ways in a different direction. The left side pulling away with the driver is not out of the woods yet. Anything you want to add?

Rick

 

[palmreader]

I have this very same problem with the driver. I do good practice swings without pulling away, but when the little ball is down there and you go at it, the left leg pulls away during the follow through. I have tried reduced-swing speed and host of other things to stay in balance and don't know how to keep the left foot in place. Doesn't happen with irons.

Jim or Brian, any ideas?????

 

[rickck3115]

quote:Originally posted by palmreader

I have this very same problem with the driver. I do good practice swings without pulling away, but when the little ball is down there and you go at it, the left leg pulls away during the follow through. I have tried reduced-swing speed and host of other things to stay in balance and don't know how to keep the left foot in place. Doesn't happen with irons.

Jim or Brian, any ideas?????

Palmreader, as you can see with all the non responds. This is the hardest to give a correct answer to. Not many will even challenge this. Some of the most gifted players are caught in this. This thread has so many views in such a short time compared to other topics. That should tell you that many are waiting for the answer to eliminate this from there swing.

Funny how they are stumped on giving even a drill to correct what might be the problem. Then again if they do not know how can one even think about giving a drill.

Oh Brian, you must have something that will work? The Pivot has not been the answer thus far, maybe one move, or maybe a drill?[]

Rick

 

[BigBadDonkey]

Yeah, Ok Rick ...

 

[Biffer]

Rick, this is actually a common problem of players who line up closed. They can get away with it on the irons, but it's tough to get the driver around when their body is in the way. It's also a clue there is too much weight still on the right foot, hence Brian's answer on hip pivot.

 

[Brian Manzella]

I am not the least bit scared of this problem, as NONE of my students have it (anymore) !

Here is a drill for you:

Start with your left foot point outward near 45 degrees. Lift the heel on the backswing. Put it down STRAIGHT (not turned out). Hit the ball. All of this at normal spped after a few at slower speeds.

Here is another:

Put you hand on your right hip. Left hand on the club. Push the hip toward the target on the downswing and take a divot. (No ball needed)

and another:

Make a backswing with a full hip and shoulder turn. On the downswing, STOP the hips when they get back to square—then the shoulders....let the arms swing past the head and let them pull you to a normal finish after the right shoulder passes the head.

and another:

Turn the left foot in until it points AT the ball. Hit balls.

I have a couple of 100 more if you really want 'em....

!!

 

[MizunoJoe]

"Make a backswing with a full hip and shoulder turn. On the downswing, STOP the hips when they get back to square—then the shoulders....let the arms swing past the head and let them pull you to a normal finish after the right shoulder passes the head."

This will cause your left wrist to bend unless you make an independent left arm movement toward the target! You should keep turning through the shot to the finish.