Left wrist uncocks or not?
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Absolutely!!!! However, don't go to completely uncocked until AFTER impact. Fully uncocking the left wrist puts the entire length of the Primary Lever Assembly on the ball. At impact the left wrist is level and uncocking to FULLY UNCOCKED FULL LEVER EXTENSION. Full Lever Extension = full power = full resistence to deceleration. If you want to hit soft shots have full lever extension AT impact. For power you want it AFTERWARDS.
It's like punching somebody. You don't want to hit them with your arm full extended. You want to impact them with some bend in your right elbow and then DRIVE it through them. Another LOVE TKO. So you need some Accumulator left to for full power. Same with the left wrist. If you still have a little way to go to FULLY UNCOCKED you have that Accumulator left to STLOC. And that would be what it's all about right? If we're talking full compression anyway.
The Left Wrist Cock is the #2 Accumulator the true velocity accumulator. Why? Because it has such a short distance to travel to become in-line. The lever assembly is ALWAYS inches away from full extension. If you want to compress it, practice SLINGING it into the ground. Hit little HARD chips. Finish with the club BELOW your hands. LOOK LOOK LOOK. Is your left wrist flat and FULLY UNCOCKED? The ball will EXPLODE OFF THE CLUBFACE!!! Eddie Cox schooled me on this.
If you want quotes from the book about this I got 'em. Some don't want to see it but if you would like to read Mr. Kelley's words about the subject let me know. I'll post 'em up.
Burner
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Yes, it should.
However, you just might not be too sure about what is a cocked wrist. So, could I suggest that you hold your left arm at shoulder level straight out in front of you with your hand open, palm facing to your right and the base of your thumb directly in line with your forearm - your fingers will be pointing slightly downward.
Without any further movement of the forearm or wrist just ball your hand up into a fist - that is then a fully cocked left wrist. Reverting to the original orientation of your hand, before you made the fist, is uncocking.
Run,
Nice post! Some great information with a clear explantion of #2 and how it works into impact.
I'd like to hear your take on the sequenced release of the swinger and any drills for working the timing of the uncocking of #2 and the rotation of the FLW (#3) into impact. As much as I'd like CF to take care of all of it, I feel like when I'm "off" I start hitting it right due to the improper timing of the "uncock-then-roll" motion.
Robbo
Nice post! Some great information with a clear explantion of #2 and how it works into impact.
I'd like to hear your take on the sequenced release of the swinger and any drills for working the timing of the uncocking of #2 and the rotation of the FLW (#3) into impact. As much as I'd like CF to take care of all of it, I feel like when I'm "off" I start hitting it right due to the improper timing of the "uncock-then-roll" motion.
Robbo
runmdc... Thank you for your reply. I like your explanation of level at impact and uncocked after impact.
What confused me was 10-18-0 which states "wrist action is classified according to changes in Left Wrist position PRIOR to Impact." and then goes on to say "the downstroke positions are rolled and/or uncocked".
What confused me was 10-18-0 which states "wrist action is classified according to changes in Left Wrist position PRIOR to Impact." and then goes on to say "the downstroke positions are rolled and/or uncocked".
Jim Kobylinski
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your left wrist should be level at impact no?
and un-cocked at the follow through or am i missing something?
and un-cocked at the follow through or am i missing something?
Brian Manzella
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Yes Jim.
Jim Kobylinski
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what am i missing brian?
Dude, I'm probably not the best to answer this question. I'm 10-2-D turned. So take this with a grain of salt or hell a salt shaker or rump shaker or whatever. But I'd say why not hit some shots going to follow-through "fix" instead of impact fix. Get your hinge action down if horizontal get the left wrist fully uncocked and the toe pointing ALONG the plane line. Hold the there for a five count to get the feeling. Then hit some chips and pitches HARD. Let the club SLING into the ground. I guess like Manzella's Shake Some Suga on Me.
When working with Eddie he always says that when swinging you want the club to "switch ends" fast. So you have to have your wrists soft so CF can do its work. Sling it down all the way DOWN. Don't hang on let your accumlators release. I guess you can learn a Sequenced Release doing slow mo stuff. But when attempting to full compress the ball seems to me like it would be hard to distinguish Release Swivel from Horizontal Hinging because it happens so fast. Even though Hinging and Swivel are different. . .
Somebody else is probably more qualified to take this ball and run it over the goal line.
Yeah. I can see how that would be a bit confusing. I think that could be a bit more clear. Mr. K separated Hand Motion and Wrist Motion. Hand Motion is rotational motion . . . Turned to the right and Rolled to the left. Wrist Motion is Perpendicular motion Cocked and Uncocked. Wrist Motion is CLUBHEAD MOTION and Hand Motion is CLUBFACE. So you gotta coordinate the two.
He added that crap about "the downstroke positions are rolled and/or uncocked." In the 5th Edition it is more clear to me at least. He says, "The Downstroke changes are the opposite of the Backstroke changes but do not necessarily occur at the same Points in the Stroke, so long as Impact Condition (FLV) is reached at Impact where Wrist Action changes to Hinge Action."
The best answer (actually one of the best parts of the book) to your original question is in 2-P. Also check out 4-D-0 and 4-D-1. Sublime stuff man. Everybody gets the #1 imperative, but those are the references that give you the "how to" in terms of execution. Forget 10-18-0. Go read those and come back to it.
Brian Manzella
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"Should the left wrist uncock completely at impact?"
No.
No.
Brian Manzella
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Correct!
That's what IMPACT FIX IS.
A way to 'measure' (and feel) where you are going to be at impact—IN BETWEEN cocked and uncocked.
That's what IMPACT FIX IS.
A way to 'measure' (and feel) where you are going to be at impact—IN BETWEEN cocked and uncocked.
Dude if you hit down on the ball you want have to worry about all that is it level or not. FEEL like you are going to use more of the upper part of the clubface to hit the ball above the equator and drive it DOWN INTO THE GROUND. Your left wrist will be in the proper condition. Let it uncock. This could be just a concept thing.
Burner
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Could be that I am missing a trick here but when I see a flat left wrist and a bent right wrist at impact I struggle to see too much by way of any retention of left wrist cocking.
At impact I feel that the left wrist cock is just about fully expended and the left wrist roll, supination, and right wrist pronation is about to take over from there on in. No?
Case in point
and again
finally
Don't see too much wrist cock at impact on these random picks; so, can someone help me out here please and offer further insight.
Burner,
Mr. Kelley can help . . .
2-P THE WRISTCOCK The Uncocking of the Flat Left Wrist is a Perpendicular Motion – not a Horizontal Motion (as defined in 4-0). The Left Wrist (6-B-2) is Cocked and Uncocked per Stroke Pattern (Chapter 12), per 4-B and per 4-D. It normally moves from “Cocked” to “Level” between Release and Impact, and from “Level” to “Uncocked” during the Follow-through. Wristcock is a Clubhead motion – not a Clubface motion. Only with a Turned Left Wrist, such as 10-2-D, can Uncocking be both motions, that is, actually Throwing the Clubface at the Ball.
So for maximum Power at any Clubhead Speed, the Ball must be struck before Full Extension per 2-N-1. Full Extension (Angular Momentum 2-K) can occur at any time or exist all the time during a Stroke per Pattern, regardless of Impact Point or Low Point (2-N). Impact during Full Extension produces a “soft” Impact and is a very useful simplification. See 2-K and 2-L#2.
The pictures obfuscate the truth because per Mr. K "The Lever Assembly is seldom an inch from Full Extension at Impact."
To see this check out the pictures in Chapter 4 of LEVEL and UNCOCKED. If you take a look at your wrist in Level condition it LOOKS uncocked the fingers point down. But you can UNCOCK further and that is Fully Uncocked and Full Lever Extension.
Mr. Kelley can help . . .
2-P THE WRISTCOCK The Uncocking of the Flat Left Wrist is a Perpendicular Motion – not a Horizontal Motion (as defined in 4-0). The Left Wrist (6-B-2) is Cocked and Uncocked per Stroke Pattern (Chapter 12), per 4-B and per 4-D. It normally moves from “Cocked” to “Level” between Release and Impact, and from “Level” to “Uncocked” during the Follow-through. Wristcock is a Clubhead motion – not a Clubface motion. Only with a Turned Left Wrist, such as 10-2-D, can Uncocking be both motions, that is, actually Throwing the Clubface at the Ball.
So for maximum Power at any Clubhead Speed, the Ball must be struck before Full Extension per 2-N-1. Full Extension (Angular Momentum 2-K) can occur at any time or exist all the time during a Stroke per Pattern, regardless of Impact Point or Low Point (2-N). Impact during Full Extension produces a “soft” Impact and is a very useful simplification. See 2-K and 2-L#2.
The pictures obfuscate the truth because per Mr. K "The Lever Assembly is seldom an inch from Full Extension at Impact."
To see this check out the pictures in Chapter 4 of LEVEL and UNCOCKED. If you take a look at your wrist in Level condition it LOOKS uncocked the fingers point down. But you can UNCOCK further and that is Fully Uncocked and Full Lever Extension.
Burner
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Yup, I can see that I may have given a poor example here.
If the left forearm is laid on a flat surface with the "pinky" finger downward and the thumb up, open palm with the back of the hand facing left, then form a fist would, perhaps, have been better.
rundmc
Thanks for your input. My original point was an attempt to explain the difference between a simple cocked, as opposed to level, wrist and the "added" cocking that some guys feel should be the case. Excessive up and down (perpendicular) movement, in other words.
The difference between level and uncocked, in the context of the original question, was ignored from my point as it is such a fine difference. My bad.
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