Let's talk about something else...say hinge action

[Jared Willerson]

Cause I'm really tired of the Pivot and Hogan threads

How does the finish swivel and horizontal hinge action work together? What should be the dominant action?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I don't understand your question, they are completely separate components.

 

[Jared Willerson]

I've read somewhere (I think) that you hit can hit with your hinge action or hit with your swivel. It just seemed confusing

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Yup confusing is right cuz i have no idea what that menas lol.

However I say that i feel a finish swivel is irrevelant and non-useful if using angled hinging whether hitting or swinging.

 

[Jared Willerson]

I guess that is what I was getting at: when do you use a finish swivel?

Thanks for the clarification Jim.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

finish swivel should occur after the follow through (both arms straight) while maintaing a flat left wrist to re-plane the clubshaft.

I only feel it is necessary when using a full roll and swinging.

 

[Spike]

Does the hand action of the horizontal hinge control the finish swivel?

 

[bts]

Does the hand action of the horizontal hinge control the finish swivel?

The momentum of the club does.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

The momentum of the club does.

Great response.

This is exactly why i feel a finish swivel isn't that necessary with angled hinging because you are resisting the clubs natural motion to fully roll so there is no real reason (ball's long gone) to perform a "perfect" swivel.

 

[Jared Willerson]

I read about their being some kind of differences between "the rhythm of a swinger and hinge action" versus using the finish swivel.

Is their anything to that or were they talking about hitting instead of swinging.

 

[tongzilla]

I read about their being some kind of differences between "the rhythm of a swinger and hinge action" versus using the finish swivel.

Is their anything to that or were they talking about hitting instead of swinging.

Rhythm = Constant RPM (with Flat Left Wrist)
Swinger = Horizontal Hinging (longer Clubhead Travel).
Hitter = Angled Hinging (shorter Clubhead Travel).
Therefore, Swinger and Hitter has differetn Rhythm.

Hinge Action is from Impact to Follow Through.
You Finish Swivel after the Follow Through.

There is no independent Rolling of the Wrists or Forearms in Hinge Action, but there is in the Finish Swivel (whether it be consious or not).

Finish Swivel is needed to keep the Club On Plane and helps to avoid that un-golf like "chicken wing" of the left elbow.

 

[birdie_man]

Great response.

This is exactly why i feel a finish swivel isn't that necessary with angled hinging because you are resisting the clubs natural motion to fully roll so there is no real reason (ball's long gone) to perform a "perfect" swivel.

I think I agree Jim....have never seen the point of that. (with Ang. Hinge)

 

[Perfect Impact]

Rhythm = Constant RPM (with Flat Left Wrist)
Swinger = Horizontal Hinging (longer Clubhead Travel).
Hitter = Angled Hinging (shorter Clubhead Travel).
Therefore, Swinger and Hitter has differetn Rhythm.

Hinge Action is from Impact to Follow Through.
You Finish Swivel after the Follow Through.

There is no independent Rolling of the Wrists or Forearms in Hinge Action, but there is in the Finish Swivel (whether it be consious or not).

Finish Swivel is needed to keep the Club On Plane and helps to avoid that un-golf like "chicken wing" of the left elbow.

What appears! as chicken wing in a good release interval/follow through is actually a "swapping of elbows" where momentum after impact is so great that a backward! (dorsal) flexion of the left wrist (VJ.. and FCouples) FORCES the left elbow to bend into the ribs. Prior to impact the RIGHT elbow hugged or touched the ribs: when the release and crossover occurs, it is rapid and the left elbow quickly folds as the clubhead flies far ahead = a mirror of the DS loaded clubshaft. on DS, right elbow hugs ribs; after FT, Left elbow hugs ribs.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I'd like to clarify that a "perfect" finish swivel isn't necessary with angled hinging. Meaning rotating the entire left arm back towards the plane with a flat left wrist to "re-plane the club."

There will certainly be a swivel to get the club to re-plane but there is not need to do it with a flat left wrist. Just let it bend, that is what i mean.

 

[birdie_man]

Ya that seems weird to me too.