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Do good ballstrikers generally have a low trajectory ball flight as their standard shot???
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Low ball trajectory and good ballstriking
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birdie_man
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Should be able to hit it any height...
IF you can't hit it low tho it's not a good sign.
IF you can't hit it low tho it's not a good sign.
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birdie_man said:
true
not necessarily true
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mrodock said:
Exactly.
Any low handicap player should be able to control his flight at will.
I find it interesting that guys like Hogan, Sutton, Leonard and Pavin all have low trajectories.
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I don't know about Knudson's trajectory, but here's a lil video of his swing.
http://www.histori.ca/minutes/minute.do;jsessionid=B665A14328782B6A6BCB9116626189FA.tomcat1?id=14255
http://www.histori.ca/minutes/minute.do;jsessionid=B665A14328782B6A6BCB9116626189FA.tomcat1?id=14255
Trajectory
Here is my theory on ideal trajectory - all iron shots will start on the same launch angle. Short irons will run out of velocity sooner than longer irons - therefore, the apex for a longer iron will be higher than that of a shorter iron.
That is why if you watch really good strikers, their 3 iron will 'fly higher' than their wedge.
Most good strikers will tell you it is easier to control distance with a 'lower' overall trajectory than with a higher one. Most players on tour hit their irons (normal shots) lower than people think - the ball bores thru the air, loses velocity, then falls to the ground.
Obviously, a very good player can alter trajectory to fit the shot at hand.
When practicing, I use trajectory as a major factor in determining the quality of my ball striking.
Bruce
Here is my theory on ideal trajectory - all iron shots will start on the same launch angle. Short irons will run out of velocity sooner than longer irons - therefore, the apex for a longer iron will be higher than that of a shorter iron.
That is why if you watch really good strikers, their 3 iron will 'fly higher' than their wedge.
Most good strikers will tell you it is easier to control distance with a 'lower' overall trajectory than with a higher one. Most players on tour hit their irons (normal shots) lower than people think - the ball bores thru the air, loses velocity, then falls to the ground.
Obviously, a very good player can alter trajectory to fit the shot at hand.
When practicing, I use trajectory as a major factor in determining the quality of my ball striking.
Bruce
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jim_0068 said:
Why so Jim?
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Cool I've never seen Knudson's swing before....thanks for that.
Chris - I have never measured the initial launch angle with irons. I just know when it 'looks right'. Here again, it is just 'theory' and probably does not occur exactly in real world applications.
I just know that when I am flighting it well, I get the feeling that all my irons start out on close to the same trajectory. I prefer 'lower' rather than 'higher' for my standard trajectory.
I have both seen and played with a number of great ball strikers (I have played with Daly, Trevino, Couples, Player). The ball always seems to go 'out' more than 'up', although Daly and Couples are higher, than Trevino or Player.
Bruce
I just know that when I am flighting it well, I get the feeling that all my irons start out on close to the same trajectory. I prefer 'lower' rather than 'higher' for my standard trajectory.
I have both seen and played with a number of great ball strikers (I have played with Daly, Trevino, Couples, Player). The ball always seems to go 'out' more than 'up', although Daly and Couples are higher, than Trevino or Player.
Bruce
Run - without question Trevino as the best overall ball striker. He could move it either way. I played with Couples in the Erie Charity Classic the year before Lee went on the Sr. Tour. Fred said that Lee would own that tour for the next few years and he was right.
As I played on the Senior Tour from 93 thru 98, I played with a number of very good ball strikers (not always the overall best players). Chi Chi, Graham Marsh, and Simon Hobday come to mind.
Never was paired with Jack N as he only played a very limited schedule (6 to 7 events per year). I played in the US Open at Merion they year Lee beat Jack in a playoff. I was on the range on Tuesday and Nicklaus was hitting with about a dozen players between us (he was at my back). I could always tell when he hit one - it made a different sound than everyone elses.
Was paired with Arnold 4 times, but he was well past him prime at that time. A true gentleman and fun to play golf with.
Now I am just a weekend golfer, playing with my friends for $5.00 nassaus and struggling with very inconsistent putting.
Bruce
As I played on the Senior Tour from 93 thru 98, I played with a number of very good ball strikers (not always the overall best players). Chi Chi, Graham Marsh, and Simon Hobday come to mind.
Never was paired with Jack N as he only played a very limited schedule (6 to 7 events per year). I played in the US Open at Merion they year Lee beat Jack in a playoff. I was on the range on Tuesday and Nicklaus was hitting with about a dozen players between us (he was at my back). I could always tell when he hit one - it made a different sound than everyone elses.
Was paired with Arnold 4 times, but he was well past him prime at that time. A true gentleman and fun to play golf with.
Now I am just a weekend golfer, playing with my friends for $5.00 nassaus and struggling with very inconsistent putting.
Bruce
Jim Kobylinski
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It's not that most pros are hitting their wedges so low it's just that they hit the REST of their irons so high including the long irons that make it seem "low."
Also it's easier to control the spin and slightly lower overall trajectory shots on the wedges, which is again going to make them look a lot lower than what their long irons do.
My 4 iron goes higher than my wedge and it should.
Also it's easier to control the spin and slightly lower overall trajectory shots on the wedges, which is again going to make them look a lot lower than what their long irons do.
My 4 iron goes higher than my wedge and it should.
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