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OLIVER1

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Would I be correct in saying that one of the major reason why we look to 'bury the hula-hoop' is to make sure that the lowest point of the left hand is by the right thigh, and not some point closer to impact?
I ask because I feel my release is starting to shape up, but often as I get into impact, my left hand just surges forward (and maybe down?) rather than up, and pulls the club through: Not good. In effect, I pull/drag but nearer to impact, rather than at transition.
If I'm not correct where is my mistake?
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I thought "burying the hula hoop" in the ground was for wedges and short irons, not for the driver and fairways.

The spatial relationship between the transition from tangential to radial in the downswing must be different with each club... unless you play with equal shaft length clubs. It's all in the geometry.


F. Wants to upgrade his golf game scientifically with 1.68 to avoid all of the above. ;)
 
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SteveT said:
I thought "burying the hula hoop" in the ground was for wedges and short irons, not for the driver and fairways.

The spatial relationship between the transition from tangential to radial in the downswing must be different with each club... unless you play with equal shaft length clubs. It's all in the geometry.


F. Wants to upgrade his golf game scientifically with 1.68 to avoid all of the above. ;)
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I left F...off, especially for you..!!:D
 
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SteveT,
Question for you. I'm confuzed about some of your posts. You have a good sense of humor so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You obviously advocate 1.68 and everything Brian does. Why then do you think asking questions and trying figure out the proper way to swing a golf club using the information gathered from his videos and forum is the wrong way to go about it? My swing is homemade and with some help from Brians videos, PM ing some senior members, using the forum and reading some books on the mental side of the swing I have never hit it better or played better in my life.
When you interject comments like you can't play great golf with a homemade swing you are not only wrong, but you send a negative message which can mess up a swing far worse than anything else.
 
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JEREMY5577 said:
SteveT,
Question for you. I'm confuzed about some of your posts. You have a good sense of humor so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. You obviously advocate 1.68 and everything Brian does.

Why then do you think asking questions and trying figure out the proper way to swing a golf club using the information gathered from his videos and forum is the wrong way to go about it? My swing is homemade and with some help from Brians videos, PM ing some senior members, using the forum and reading some books on the mental side of the swing I have never hit it better or played better in my life.

When you interject comments like you can't play great golf with a homemade swing you are not only wrong, but you send a negative message which can mess up a swing far worse than anything else.
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Let me respond to your questions with due respect. There is nothing wrong with using videos to improve your golfswing if you succeed, and you are obviously a subjective exception. The mass of golfers will never go to a teacher like Brian to get an objective assessment of their golfswing so his instructional videos are the next best thing.

What I object to, and I believe Brian does too, is trying to analyze the golfswings of the pros and come to some kind of legitimate conclusion on the forces and speeds of the swing to be incorporated into your own golfswing... you can't do it.

As for differences of opinion between me and others on this forum on the scientific interpretation on the proper way to swing a golf club, that's called democracy. I don't denigrate anybody over their scientific ignorance, but I take exception to those who personally attack me because I somehow hurt their feeeelings. That's not objective nor scientific, and not worthy of this fine forum pioneering true science for the modern golfswing.

I went through the misery of TGM "science" and was crucified, and now I'm being attacked because I'm too scientific and that makes others uncomfortable and they take things too personal. To those I say grow up by getting 1.68 and learning to catch up with me. ;)

BTW ... you're not threadjacking at all ...!!!
 
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SteveT said:
Let me respond to your questions with due respect. There is nothing wrong with using videos to improve your golfswing if you succeed, and you are obviously a subjective exception. The mass of golfers will never go to a teacher like Brian to get an objective assessment of their golfswing so his instructional videos are the next best thing.

What I object to, and I believe Brian does too, is trying to analyze the golfswings of the pros and come to some kind of legitimate conclusion on the forces and speeds of the swing to be incorporated into your own golfswing... you can't do it.

As for differences of opinion between me and others on this forum on the scientific interpretation on the proper way to swing a golf club, that's called democracy. I don't denigrate anybody over their scientific ignorance, but I take exception to those who personally attack me because I somehow hurt their feeeelings. That's not objective nor scientific, and not worthy of this fine forum pioneering true science for the modern golfswing.

I went through the misery of TGM "science" and was crucified, and now I'm being attacked because I'm too scientific and that makes others uncomfortable and they take things too personal. To those I say grow up by getting 1.68 and learning to catch up with me. ;)

BTW ... you're not threadjacking at all ...!!!
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Steve I haven't really read too many exchanges between you and other members arguing the validity of the science involved in project 1.68. They are all on board for the most part. They are arguing that you imply we can't learn it without being spoon fed it in person by an expert for several thousand dollars.
 
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SteveT said:
Let me respond to your questions with due respect. There is nothing wrong with using videos to improve your golfswing if you succeed, and you are obviously a subjective exception. The mass of golfers will never go to a teacher like Brian to get an objective assessment of their golfswing so his instructional videos are the next best thing.

What I object to, and I believe Brian does too, is trying to analyze the golfswings of the pros and come to some kind of legitimate conclusion on the forces and speeds of the swing to be incorporated into your own golfswing... you can't do it.

As for differences of opinion between me and others on this forum on the scientific interpretation on the proper way to swing a golf club, that's called democracy. I don't denigrate anybody over their scientific ignorance, but I take exception to those who personally attack me because I somehow hurt their feeeelings. That's not objective nor scientific, and not worthy of this fine forum pioneering true science for the modern golfswing.

I went through the misery of TGM "science" and was crucified, and now I'm being attacked because I'm too scientific and that makes others uncomfortable and they take things too personal. To those I say grow up by getting 1.68 and learning to catch up with me. ;)

BTW ... you're not threadjacking at all ...!!!
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You are an extremist, you need to be gentler, kinder, more of a people person. Carry the big stick of science but walk softly is the way forward. Use only the "force" that is required , more like a Teaching Scientist not a MAD Teaching Scientist.;)
 
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I really envy an old mate of mine. He wouldn't know how to turn a computer on, let alone going onto golf forums and you tube. I've known him for 30 years and the simple powerful swing he developed way back hasn't changed, apart from being slightly shorter now he's 77. He knows nothing about the science or finer points of the swing, never practices, plays on average once a week and still plays off 4.

The scientific approach could well help those young enough to make changes but for those at the other end, embarking on a swing overhaul isn't an option. Buying green bananas is risky enough.
 
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ausfreddy said:
I really envy an old mate of mine. He wouldn't know how to turn a computer on, let alone going onto golf forums and you tube. I've known him for 30 years and the simple powerful swing he developed way back hasn't changed, apart from being slightly shorter now he's 77. He knows nothing about the science or finer points of the swing, never practices, plays on average once a week and still plays off 4.
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A perfect example of biokinetic automatism. No drills, no wasted hours on range, no muscle memory bullshit, no conscious thoughts. Hogan said there are no obstacles for an average golfer to play below 80 consistently and I always believed in this and still do.

Cheers
 
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OLIVER1

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I would love it if someone had an idea about my original question. For some reason I feel like I'm really close and I think this could be it (From a feel standpoint)
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OLIVER1 said:
I would love it if someone had an idea about my original question. For some reason I feel like I'm really close and I think this could be it (From a feel standpoint)
Thanks
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Let the clubhead catch up and pass your lead arm/hand,( not a flip before impact) your still tugging/pulling. It feels to me that my lead arm drops into my body, as the clubhead lines up that's my feel, yours may be different. It's hard to describe a feel in words in a forum post.
 
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OLIVER1 said:
I would love it if someone had an idea about my original question. For some reason I feel like I'm really close and I think this could be it (From a feel standpoint)
Thanks
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If you are looking for a "feel" or "visual", watch this video. Although it may not be exact, Ian Poulter's pre-shot is similar to mine and is a great feel for a free wheeling relase.

 
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@ekennedy.
That's a great set of swings. The swing Poulter made at 1:40 or so, when he gets tangled up inside himself I can certainly relate to. Doesn't it seem like he pulls at the last second, can't release and spans it out to the right? It's like he doesn't allow a viable low point to occur before the left side drags and wrecks the hit.
Thanks for that. Where did you get this from?
 
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footwedge said:
Let the clubhead catch up and pass your lead arm/hand,( not a flip before impact) your still tugging/pulling. It feels to me that my lead arm drops into my body, as the clubhead lines up that's my feel, yours may be different. It's hard to describe a feel in words in a forum post.
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It is difficult to describe isn't it. I just feel like I can't wait that long, (no doubt symptomatic of other faults in my swing) so I have to be proactive in hunting down a feel that will fit within my particular - albeit raggy - cadence.
 
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If you don't bury it first, it will be tougher to pull it out and make contact that isn't thin.
Your hand surging forward brings the leading edge into play, not optimal...
The clubhead has to pass the hands sooner so you can line it up for impact... Lining it up and going normal brings the clubs bounce in to the equation, your left hand is going where your right hand should be going.
 
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