Maintaining The Bent Right Wrist Through Impact

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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by rundmc
What causes the right wrist to move to flat?

I'm fighting a move to flatten the right wrist.
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Improper #3 Pressure Point Pressure causes the Right Wrist to Flatten. Remember, Power flows from its source (the Accumulators) and is applied against Pressure Points that directly and indirectly drive the Club through Impact. Almost always, the Clubhead Lag (and Acceleration Control) is assigned to Pressure Point #3 (6-C-2-0). This becomes the Indirect Drive of the Lever Assemblies. All other employed Pressure Points are the Direct Drive.

For Hitters, Power Accumulator #1 (6-b-1-0) drives both Pressure Points #1 and #3 (6-C-2-C). Therefore, to maintain the Bent Right Wrist, focus through Impact on the Bent Right Arm's Direct Drive against Pressure Point #1 (6-C-1) -- the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb. Keep the Right Forefinger 'easy' on the Club and allow the Clubhead Lag and its Indirect Drive to be accepted by Pressure Point #3. When you have learned to properly maintain these Direct and Indirect Drive Pressures, you will have learned to maintain the inert and Bent Right Wrist. And if you don't Feel the heel of your Right Hand Driving against your Left Thumb and your Unstressed and Bent Right Wrist trailing along behind, well...you ain't got it yet.

And how will you know when you've got it? It will sound like a 'war' in your practice area. You'll notice people staring. Maybe even gathering around. Asking you for a tip or two after you've wrapped up. Things like that. Meanwhile, while you're learning, it wouldn't hurt to watch Lee Trevino's Downstroke motion on video tape a few hundred times.

For Swingers, the Indirect Drive of the Clubhead Lag is once again assigned to Pressure Point #3. The Direct Drive is supplied by the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn (Accumulator #4) and by the Wrist Cock (Accumulator #2). Focus on the Start Down Lag Loading (Drag the Butt End of the Club Down Plane per 10-19-C) and the Sequenced Release (Uncock and Roll per 4-D-0) through Impact. Allow the Indirect Drive of Pressure Point #3 to accept the Lag Loading and the Direct Drive of Centrifugal Force to Power the Clubhead.

I cannot urge strongly enough the benefit of video work in this area. Much of what is done with instructional video is cosmetic, ineffective and often even wrong. But used properly, it can lead you to Golf's Promised Land. If you can dispassionately watch through Impact your Bending Left Wrist and Flattening Right Wrist -- trust me, that is almost certainly happening -- and determine to correct it, then it can be done. Put your Stroke on video. Try to correct your Motion as I've prescribed. It didn't work, did it? Do another video. No good. Try again. No good. Try again. Closer. More #1 Drive Out Pressure for Hitters. More #2 Throw Out Pressure for Swingers. No good. Try again. Better. Again. A lot better!

Nirvana!

Stay with it.

You can do this!
 
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Brian Manzella

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Absolutely you can do it!

I was the original right wrist flattener.

I thought I was supposed to do it.

Brian Manzella: "So Ben (Doyle 1987), when do I flatten my right wrist."?
Ben Doyle: "It might flatten for a moment WELL past impact, but YOU don't flatten it!"

I Don't anymore ;)
 
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Matt Taylor

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Coincidentally, I've been working very hard on cleaning this area up in my own swing for a few weeks now.. My right wrist never does flatten all the way out, but it certainly does not stay as bent as it was. Are there degrees of flattening the right wrist? I guess the more precise the better, but I'm finding it hard to keep a maximum right wrist bend. It seems that there is a lot of room before a flattened right wrist leads to bent left wrist. If that sounds convoluted, what I mean is that my left wrist never breaks down to the point where it's no longer flat because of the action of my right wrist, though I know my right wrist action could be tightened up. Is this right wrist action worth chasing down even if my left wrist remains flat? (I'm a swinger, by the way).

Also, what the heck does Vijay Singh do with his right wrist? It seems like he unbebds his right wrist to me, so much so that the heel of his right hans seems to come completely off the grip right after impact. Is this the case, or am I seeing things?
 
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MizunoJoe

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You're not seeing things - his right wrist actually arches through impact, BUT, his left wrist also arches! How? Only the fingers of his right hand stay in contact with the grip.
 
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Powerdraw

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

You're not seeing things - his right wrist actually arches through impact, BUT, his left wrist also arches! How? Only the fingers of his right hand stay in contact with the grip.
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is Vijay really a model?...remember he hits a gazillion balls a week to be able to hit it this way...not sure that releasing the grasp of the clamp is such a good thing...can he get away with it? you bet! see the $$$$ hehehe
 
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holenone

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Remember, guys, for Swingers, e.g., Vijay, Centrifugal Force powers the Club. Power Accumulator #1 is not used, i.e., the Right Arm is passive, and any #1 Pressure Point Pressure -- the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb -- is incidental. The Direct Drive (7-11) of the Swinger is supplied by the #4 and #2 Pressure Points. The Indirect Drive -- the Clubhead Lag Pressure -- is supplied by Pressure Point #3. As Vijay's unique move through Impact demonstrates, you must maintain Pressure Point #3. You need not maintain #1.

Hitters, Vijay's position is disastrous for you. The #1 Accumulator -- the Bent Right Arm -- is supplying its Direct Drive Muscle Power actively against Pressure Point #1. Again, this is the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb. No contact -- per Vijay -- no pressure. No pressure, no Power. No Power, no TOUR, much less Golf World Pre-eminence.

Postscript: What system of Golf Instruction could correctly explain Vijay's 'move?' What system could explain how it works and under what circumstances it works. Only The Golfing Machine.
 
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quote:Originally posted by holenone


Postscript: What system of Golf Instruction could correctly explain Vijay's 'move?' What system could explain how it works and under what circumstances it works. Only The Golfing Machine.
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hallelujah ! Some might just say that from the top he swings hard down the line with his arms which unintentionally shifts his weight as his hand slips off the club. Thank God- Thank Homer- Thank Yoda.

My new slogan= First Homer, then Yoda and now ME.
 
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MizunoJoe

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holen1,

You've substantiated what yellow-bookers knew - that VJ's stroke pattern satisfies all the TGM requirements. But there's an advantage that VJ DOES miss out on with his "#1 PP missing in action" move - the support it gives to the left arm flying wedge during throwout action.

But, to go further, what about an active thrust of the right arm to actually help EFFECT the throwout? This use of the right arm, NOT to radially accelerate the club using #3 PP, but to aid in #3 accumulator contribution. Some would characterize this as a 3-barrel swing with #1 added, but this isn't so, because it only uses the MECHANISM by which #1 accumulator is applied - the right tricep.
 
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quote:Originally posted by holenone

Remember, guys, for Swingers, e.g., Vijay, Centrifugal Force powers the Club. Power Accumulator #1 is not used, i.e., the Right Arm is passive, and any #1 Pressure Point Pressure -- the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb -- is incidental. The Direct Drive (7-11) of the Swinger is supplied by the #4 and #2 Pressure Points. The Indirect Drive -- the Clubhead Lag Pressure -- is supplied by Pressure Point #3. As Vijay's unique move through Impact demonstrates, you must maintain Pressure Point #3. You need not maintain #1.

Hitters, Vijay's position is disastrous for you. The #1 Accumulator -- the Bent Right Arm -- is supplying its Direct Drive Muscle Power actively against Pressure Point #1. Again, this is the heel of the Right Hand against the Left Hand thumb. No contact -- per Vijay -- no pressure. No pressure, no Power. No Power, no TOUR, much less Golf World Pre-eminence.

Postscript: What system of Golf Instruction could correctly explain Vijay's 'move?' What system could explain how it works and under what circumstances it works. Only The Golfing Machine.
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Can this possibly mean that VJ does not apply extensor action properly?
 
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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

holen1,

You've substantiated what yellow-bookers knew - that VJ's stroke pattern satisfies all the TGM requirements. But there's an advantage that VJ DOES miss out on with his "#1 PP missing in action" move - the support it gives to the left arm flying wedge during throwout action.

But, to go further, what about an active thrust of the right arm to actually help EFFECT the throwout? This use of the right arm, NOT to radially accelerate the club using #3 PP, but to aid in #3 accumulator contribution. Some would characterize this as a 3-barrel swing with #1 added, but this isn't so, because it only uses the MECHANISM by which #1 accumulator is applied - the right tricep.
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This would be an attempt to use the Hitter's Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) to Trigger (7-20) the Release. At the Top, the Swinger has Loaded his Left Wrist (10-19-C) -- not his Right Elbow (10-19-A) -- and is far better served with the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E), usually in combination with the Delivery Path Throw (10-20-D) for the Snap Release (Auto or Non-Auto per 10-24-D/E).
 
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Brian Manzella

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Back in 1991, I traveled to Memphis to work with David Toms at that city's PGA Tour event.

Vijay was there and I was the ONLY guy on the range with a camera.

He had a bit of THROWAWAY then and the right wrist flattened early.

He DOESN't have the "Leak" now, but still has the right wrist and like Lynn says, has learn to make it work.
 
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DDL

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The Direct Drive is supplied by the Downstroke Right Shoulder Turn (Accumulator #4) and by the Wrist Cock (Accumulator #2). Focus on the Start Down Lag Loading (Drag the Butt End of the Club Down Plane per 10-19-C) and the Sequenced Release (Uncock and Roll per 4-D-0) through Impact. Allow the Indirect Drive of Pressure Point #3 to accept the Lag Loading and the Direct Drive of Centrifugal Force to Power the Clubhead.[/quote


In a previous post I stated I didn't feel a direct right shoulder thrust, but felt a left arm stretching, and pressure on my left armpit, both felings which i equate to pp4. I also feel a stretching of my left hand pulling the butt end of the club, which is pp2. I had always thought that was indirect, a consequence of my left side pulling. However, you advise that pp2 should be a conscious, direct intention? I don't remember anyone mentioning wristcock dirctly driving the accumulators for swinging. Everyday, I learn someting new from you.

Thanks
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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by DDL

I also feel a stretching of my left hand pulling the butt end of the club, which is pp2. I had always thought that was indirect, a consequence of my left side pulling. However, you advise that pp2 should be a conscious, direct intention? I don't remember anyone mentioning wristcock dirctly driving the accumulators for swinging. Everyday, I learn someting new from you.

Thanks
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Thank you, DDL!

The Clubhead Lag is always assigned its own Pressure Point -- usually Pressure Point #3 -- and this becomes the Indirect Drive of the Club through Impact. The remaining employed Pressure Points normally constitute the Direct Drive (7-11). Since the Swinger uses Pressure Point #3 as the Clubhead Lag Indirect Drive, the remaining two employed Pressure Points -- Pressure Points #2 and #4 -- become the Direct Drive.
 
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mclare

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When O'Grady worked with Vijay back in 1994, he taped vijay's right hand to his left with duct tape to prevent the right wrist from flattening. Imagine if Vijay had stayed with that drill!
 
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nevermind

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ahh its frustrating.. I know that If i could understand all thats in this post and implement it, eventually I would have a much beter swing. Ive always felt like i had a early/gradual release, what i know now is loss of right wrist bend well before impact.. now just recently Ive realised that im a swinger. after reading Brians article I tried to maintain the bend but could never get it down pat (read "i gave up too easily")

Is pressure point #3 the right index finger? and that is where i will feel the lag but is not where it is produced? Turning my right shoulder and releasing left wrist cock produces/maintains the lag? Should I be thinking "down and around" for my right shoulder or just down?

If i forget about trying for increase my lag I can hit the ball consistantly, but I want more power! Is that a bad thing? ;)
 
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nevermind

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quote holenone:
"in other words, the Hands are 'left at the Top,' as the Pivot begins its forward motion."

something else I dont do (I think)
 
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