Manuel De La Torre swing?

[Weetbix]

Interested if the new release information has implications in assessing what Manuel de la Torrent teaches about swinging the club?

 

[Kevin Shields]

Interested if the new release information has implications in assessing what Manuel de la Torrent teaches about swinging the club?

Which is?

 

[Weetbix]

I'm still learning, but his focus seems to be on swinging the club back and forth - that may sound trite but it isn't. Swing the club back with the hands, swing it back towards the target through the ball with an emphasis on feeling the upper arms swing the club.

I was thinking that the focus on the club moving seemed to relate to some of the torque ideas. And the focus away from positions and on moving the club head? Not an expert, thought there may be some who understand what he teaches and could relate it to what the science says - positively or negatively?

 

[Weetbix]

Exactly - seems opinions have changed a lot and wondered if it meant Manuel had been validated or invalidated?

 

[birly-shirly]

I wouldn't try to analyse MDLT in terms of physics or mechanics. I think what he offers is better looked at as a framework for intuitive learning and staying out of your own way.

That's going to float some boats, and not others - but, in my opinion, it's not something that can be either validated or invalidated.

 

[Jared Willerson]

Lots of opinions have changed and Brian talked about "Ernest Jones pure swinging" in the Soft Draw pattern video, which is what DLT advocates.

 

[Brian Manzella]

And just like I said in "Soft Draw," you have ONE CHANCE to speed things up.

And that is the second phase.

In my opinion, Mr. De La Torre's type swinging motion would help a great majority of golfers.

 

[Ringer]

I was a long time advocate of Manuel and met him in person when he did his yearly clinic here in Phoenix. I was also a student of his predecesor David A Williams who teaches down here in Phoenix.

Manuel is a terrific guy with a very simple concept of the swing. However, it doesn't have to remain simple if you don't want it to. He, I, and David once got into a conversation about there being the different swing centers. The center which we consider the axis of the swing, the halfway point going back, and the halfway point going forward. They are each significant for Manuel.

As far as the upper arm swing, Manuel does not subscribe to the "Kinetic sequence". He believes the lower body facilitates the action of the arms but doesn't not initiate it. If you want more speed, swing the upper arms quicker. So long as you don't try to manipulate the club then the clubface will close by itself as "centrifugal force" tugs on you and your arms extend back to their original position.

Manuel also wants the ball back more toward the center of someone's stance, even for woods. As he puts it, the clubhead should be directly in the middle, and the ball should be just in front of that. In the older days when taking spin off the ball and trying to hit with an upward swing path wasn't the ideal, this worked for him and others.

 

[gmbtempe]

I was a long time advocate of Manuel and met him in person when he did his yearly clinic here in Phoenix. I was also a student of his predecesor David A Williams who teaches down here in Phoenix.

Manuel is a terrific guy with a very simple concept of the swing. However, it doesn't have to remain simple if you don't want it to. He, I, and David once got into a conversation about there being the different swing centers. The center which we consider the axis of the swing, the halfway point going back, and the halfway point going forward. They are each significant for Manuel.

As far as the upper arm swing, Manuel does not subscribe to the "Kinetic sequence". He believes the lower body facilitates the action of the arms but doesn't not initiate it. If you want more speed, swing the upper arms quicker. So long as you don't try to manipulate the club then the clubface will close by itself as "centrifugal force" tugs on you and your arms extend back to their original position.

Manuel also wants the ball back more toward the center of someone's stance, even for woods. As he puts it, the clubhead should be directly in the middle, and the ball should be just in front of that. In the older days when taking spin off the ball and trying to hit with an upward swing path wasn't the ideal, this worked for him and others.

David was a very good teacher. I only could afford a couple lessons but he was the first to really help me out when I sucked (not that I still don't but I was way worse back then).