Manzella set-up article/"Hogan arms" - why did it work?

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Brian came through town a couple weeks ago on his way to Tuscaloosa and I go my second dose of the Matrix. The pivot was really the issue for me it seemed (to steep, outside in on path, and somewhat laid off) -- getting to the inside of the ball was still the problem, and pulls and pull hooks the result. I have been cutting way down on the pulls and pull hook problems as i worked on backswing and played Sunday, having a birdie putt on 15 holes, but still I didn't feel like I was really able to take a rip at the ball. I had two ugly pull hooks that luckily did not find OB or deep rough.

I've been reading the site this this week and saw the old article by Brian on set-up. I realized that I had gotten away from getting my right forearm lower and more on plane with the club and was playing with my elbows facing outward, not more downward. This afternoon I went to the range worked on set-up for 15 minutes and started hitting with elbows feeling facing more down than out, right forearm lower, and neck more level to ground. Also, arms more relaxed and hanging straighter down.

I have never hit the ball so straight and so well. My short irons were just dead straight. I was hitting very slight fades with longer clubs when I took a very full cut at it and felt like I couldn't hook if I wanted to. For some reason I now felt like I could actually get my right arm in the "Johnny Unitas position," something I haven't been able to feel before. I had to exaggerate the Soft Draw pattern a little to even to hit a draw. After 45 minutes of hitting, I felt could suddenly take a rip at the ball without fear of the big hook.

I walked a few holes before dark and had the best four holes in terms of ball striking I've had in years. Outstanding distance, a feel I couldn't hook, and a tiny, slight fade.

All of this because of those set-up issues? Do the downward elbows stop one from being laid off and make you trace a straighter line? I don't understand why now it seems easy to get in "throwing position" and seemed impossible before.
 
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Kevin Shields

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Having the insides of the elbows face outward has been fundamental to my game since i can remember. I'm sure someone will have a technical answer, but i just can't imagine my arms folding correctly back from or thru the ball otherwise. Just about every student ive had with elbows pointing outward has too much right arm bend at the top and their arms are really separated as well.
 
I found the same thing. My right elbow position was similar to your outward elbow look. I reread the posture article one day and it clicked. With my elbow facing down, the arm folded up much better. It made a similar difference to my swing as well.
 
I think that if you do what TGM describes as horizontal hinge you get a feel of left elbow in and down around and just beyoond impact.

If you do what TGM describes as Standard wrist action on the backswing then you feel the right elbow is down and in....

The only bit that feels weird is if you do the same feel simultaneously with the Hogan "arms bound to each other" feel like in Modern Fundamentals picture...

But take if you do that and recreate the individual elbow feel at the appropriate time in back/downswing then it seems to work... IMO...
 
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