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I don't mean to pump sunshine up boodies, but after multiple viewings of Brian's tapes, I am finding them to be masterpieces. Brian is single-handedly the best teacher under 45 in the country right now. I have personally been to some of the top 50, have every tape and dvd of all the greats, and Brian smokes em. Keep up the good work, brian. I am still waiting on the beta tape called "Stop your hook, forever without losing lag in the process."

Sincerely,
Brian's dad (aka diggerdog)
 
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Brian, I appreciate your a very busy man - or should I say a one armed busy man ;) , but I would be very grateful if you could answer the following question regarding you "Never Slice Again Video", thanks.

The entire purpose of this video is to get the player to have the face open as small amount as possible. But why do the likes of Tiger Woods and co. have the face more open? - i.e. 45 degrees at the top. I know you say that they can close the face through impact - but why do they do this? Surely it would be easier and more consistent for them as well as the slicer to have the face less open?
 
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So sorry guys...tomorrow I will be able to start posting a bunch again.

A lot of tapes are being shipped today. I will look to see if yours is in there Hue and Hogan.
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by ukhacker

Brian, I appreciate your a very busy man - or should I say a one armed busy man ;) , but I would be very grateful if you could answer the following question regarding you "Never Slice Again Video", thanks.

The entire purpose of this video is to get the player to have the face open as small amount as possible. But why do the likes of Tiger Woods and co. have the face more open? - i.e. 45 degrees at the top. I know you say that they can close the face through impact - but why do they do this? Surely it would be easier and more consistent for them as well as the slicer to have the face less open?
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You are creating a swinging force (that rock on a string) - keeping that concept in mind - the more you keep the sweetspot (and the right elbow) on plane, the more 'true' that swinging force will be.

The 'line of compression' is the line of the true swinging on plane force - the rock - the sweetspot. The more true that 'swing', the more your 'support' of that force is on plane, the better.

You disturb that swinging force a touch when you don't keep the sweetspot on plane (i.e. you don't 'allow' the rotation of the clubface) Well, really, you are creating a parallel plane for the sweetspot by not allowing the rotation, which, at least from a physics perspective, is less efficient and harder to reproduce.

This is why the medicus doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets for overrotation going back. It keeps the sweetspot on plane.

Pay attention to your left thumb as if it were the top of the string and the sweetspot is the rock.


Hope this helps - EdZ
 
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

quote:Originally posted by ukhacker

Brian, I appreciate your a very busy man - or should I say a one armed busy man ;) , but I would be very grateful if you could answer the following question regarding you "Never Slice Again Video", thanks.

The entire purpose of this video is to get the player to have the face open as small amount as possible. But why do the likes of Tiger Woods and co. have the face more open? - i.e. 45 degrees at the top. I know you say that they can close the face through impact - but why do they do this? Surely it would be easier and more consistent for them as well as the slicer to have the face less open?
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You are creating a swinging force (that rock on a string) - keeping that concept in mind - the more you keep the sweetspot (and the right elbow) on plane, the more 'true' that swinging force will be.

The 'line of compression' is the line of the true swinging on plane force - the rock - the sweetspot. The more true that 'swing', the more your 'support' of that force is on plane, the better.

You disturb that swinging force a touch when you don't keep the sweetspot on plane (i.e. you don't 'allow' the rotation of the clubface) Well, really, you are creating a parallel plane for the sweetspot by not allowing the rotation, which, at least from a physics perspective, is less efficient and harder to reproduce.

This is why the medicus doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets for overrotation going back. It keeps the sweetspot on plane.

Pay attention to your left thumb as if it were the top of the string and the sweetspot is the rock.


Hope this helps - EdZ
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EdZ - To make this easier lets consider the position of the clubface when the shaft is parallel to the target line, and lets also consider that the clubface also arrives in the same orientation when the shaft is also parallel to the ground on the downswing.

Now we know for the face to be square at this point the face will be parallel to the spine angle and the head of the club will still be perpendicular to the plane line. Getting to this point in the backswing requires no rotation of the left arm, and if this position is met in the downswing then no rotation is required to square the clubface. "Lag the sweet spot" as described in Brian's video.

Now your post reads to me that you are saying that the only way to "swing" the club is to have rotation ie open the clubface. So are you saying that the toe must be pointing straight up when the shaft is parallel to the target?

I accept that beyond the "shaft parallel to the target" position there is "some" rotation, but me original question was along the lines of - why does Tiger Woods and co. have the toe more up and use rotation to square the face - rather than more parallel to the spine requiring no rotation? Isn't this more consistent?
 
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Physics is physics.

Force is being applied along the shaft from the grip end. The more the point of force with the ball (sweetspot) is in line with the line of force (shaft) the more efficient the force. The 'right wrist back' helps you get as close to this as possible, but there still must be rotation relative to the plane. The steeper the plane, the less rotation needed (with limits due to other factors of course, mostly human physiology and lack of a completely stable hub)

We should really all be playing with croquet mallets...

90 degree rotation going back, 180 through.
 
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ukhacker

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Thanks Brian, I'm with you on that, but, in your Never Slice Again video you say that you want the slicer to have the face on the plane (ie parallel to the spine) when the shaft is parallel to the target line on the downswing. From this point it is easier to get the face open at impact and square at separation ie they don't have to roll their left arm.

What I really want to know is why most pros have the face toe up at this point. OK you also say in the video that they can square the club up whilst in their sleep - but is it not the case that they would also find it easier having the face less open just as you are suggesting to the slicer?
 
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