Master Accumulator and PP #4

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DDL

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Where in the downstroke is PP#1 released? At release point well before impact, or does one still feel it ahead of the ball at and post-impact?
 

rwh

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quote:Originally posted by DDL

Where in the downstroke is PP#1 released? At release point well before impact, or does one still feel it ahead of the ball at and post-impact?

Lag has no "release point" as that term is defined in TGM. Only Accumulators have release points' i.e., they are "released" to seek their in-line condition which creates power. A "release" of Lag would result in a power loss.

As far as how long you should continue to feel the Clubhead Lag pressure, theoretically you should feel it until there is no more clubhead lag. Practically, if you feel it as late as Follow-through, you should be fine.
 

DDL

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Lag has no "release point" as that term is defined in TGM. Only Accumulators have release points' i.e., they are "released" to seek their in-line condition which creates power. A "release" of Lag would result in a power loss.

As far as how long you should continue to feel the Clubhead Lag pressure, theoretically you should feel it until there is no more clubhead lag. Practically, if you feel it as late as Follow-through, you should be fine.

That makes more sense. I had originally though only PP#3 maintained it's lag pressure until past impact and well past followthrough if so desired.

PP#4 doesn't trace anything nor is it 'aimed' at a particular point or line as the other 3 pressure points are. All dressed up and no where to go.

I also had thought that as accumulator #4 was released, so was its corresponding pressure point. Not so according to past posts. So during the release and impact intervals, even though my left arm has expended its angle across the chest, the lag pressure point on my left armpit should remain?

I ge better results when it feels like I am swinging with the lag pressure in my left armpit especially if I feel that my hands are being driven in a straight line instead of a pendulum. ALthough the pressure on my left armpit significantly drops off pre-impact. Rotational torso throwaway I believe, if there is such a thing.
 
I have heard a lot of different ideas concerning pressure point #4. Many of the teachers don't call it that, but refer to #4 as "connection", or "linking the left arm to the chest", or some other thing such as this. Some teachers actually advocate keeping the arms free from the chest.

I think this would be a good topic of discussion... including "left arm blast off", the tightness of the pressure point, etc.
 
Pressure points should never be described as a tightness. No squeezing of a PP is ever required. PP4 is just a location where the left arm meets the chest. You don't push it against it or try to remove it.
"Left arm blast off" is preformed by the right shoulder thrust. It is the movement of the right shoulder that thrusts the left arm off the chest. This does not mean the left arm loses "connection" because the pivot doesn't stop moving the body (chest)in a rotation.

Accumulator 4 is the Master Accumulator because it is the accelerator of the downstroke which throws the levers toward impact. Acc4 directs the pivot to the ball.
 

DDL

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quote:Originally posted by lagster

I have heard a lot of different ideas concerning pressure point #4. Many of the teachers don't call it that, but refer to #4 as "connection", or "linking the left arm to the chest", or some other thing such as this. Some teachers actually advocate keeping the arms free from the chest.

I think this would be a good topic of discussion... including "left arm blast off", the tightness of the pressure point, etc.

Agreed. Left arm blastoff is quite misleading . I always thought of it as the entire left arm, not just the angle formed by the arm across the chest, being thrown off, including the lag pressure in the left armpit being released and "thrown".
 
Then what would be a good way of communicating or describing the degree, or amount of pressure that a pressure point has? Webster...pressure: a pressing or being pressed; compression; squeezing

DDL... you are probably not the only one that thought that about "blast off".

Lag pressure (usually #3), as I understand it, is created when the shaft is stressed. What about the others? There would have to be some pressure in #2 and #1, and some say #4 at address.
 

EdZ

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'hitting the ball with the back of the left shoulder' is the 'aiming' of PP4, for practical purposes. Alternately, the 'front' of the right shoulder.

Like you were going to break down a door with your left shoulder - into the inside back corner. Gives you 'counter fall' and 'whips the chain'
 
"Counterfall", in Lee's method, is an subtle and indiscernable upper body backward lean behind and slightly to the left of the player, which counterbalances the forward moving club.
 

DDL

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PP#4 is my new best friend. Tried out my 4- iron after months of collecting cobwebs. Got rid of the mythical stationary head. Had to get used to the feeling of my head tilting/rotating to the right on the backswing, while trusting that my upper body wasn't sliding. Felt like my head was sliding a couple of feet.

Anyway, on the dowswing, I felt my left side and PP#4 pulling my upper body into a very tight rotation. Tight as in no sliding, not tight as in clenching and squeezing.

Hit some great shots, with no loss of compression. Vaguely, I felt that PP#4 stayed in the same place, or at most moved very little.
Thought mostly about pivot on the downswing and hands on the backswing. Felt that my arms were "wrapping" around my body and thus also causing a very tight rotation on the backswing. ALso felt that my arms were travelling in a circular path. I may have taken the linear path of the hands too far to include my arms.

For a half hour, I felt that PP#4 monitored upper body rotation and sliding on the dowswing. I would like to know more about why it is called the Master Accumulator. I'm sure all the definitions in Webster's that HK liked to use, screams its importance.. The Commander would be PP#3, and gets all the glory .
 
quote:Originally posted by DDL

PP#4 is my new best friend. Tried out my 4- iron after months of collecting cobwebs. Got rid of the mythical stationary head. Had to get used to the feeling of my head tilting/rotating to the right on the backswing, while trusting that my upper body wasn't sliding. Felt like my head was sliding a couple of feet.

Anyway, on the dowswing, I felt my left side and PP#4 pulling my upper body into a very tight rotation. Tight as in no sliding, not tight as in clenching and squeezing.

Hit some great shots, with no loss of compression. Vaguely, I felt that PP#4 stayed in the same place, or at most moved very little.
Thought mostly about pivot on the downswing and hands on the backswing. Felt that my arms were "wrapping" around my body and thus also causing a very tight rotation on the backswing. ALso felt that my arms were travelling in a circular path. I may have taken the linear path of the hands too far to include my arms.

For a half hour, I felt that PP#4 monitored upper body rotation and sliding on the dowswing. I would like to know more about why it is called the Master Accumulator. I'm sure all the definitions in Webster's that HK liked to use, screams its importance.. The Commander would be PP#3, and gets all the glory .

Master and Commander! Very clever DDL, very clever indeed. I think I SEA where you are heading with this.
 
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