Mickelson's Bag
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Jared Willerson
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Just goes to show how big a dork Pelz is. 5 wedges.....please. Leave your NASA crap at home and just let him play.
thefuture37
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are yall the same people that criticized him for hitting driver on 72 at winged foot?
thefuture37
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Mickelson's weakness: straight driving
Mickelson's strength: wedge play
makes sense to not hit driver when there is US Open rough when you aren't a straight driver. he isn't giving up that much distance with his 2 wood anyways. you can't bomb and gouge there.
makes sense for him to use the extra space in his bag for extra wedges. each wedge does different things, they aren't just different lofts for different yardages. more wedges equals more shots and more saved shots.
he is playing to his strengths and away from his weakness. its not really working that well(unfortunately for him his other weakness his long game swing in general), but that doesn't mean he should be criticized for making strategical decisions.
Mickelson's strength: wedge play
makes sense to not hit driver when there is US Open rough when you aren't a straight driver. he isn't giving up that much distance with his 2 wood anyways. you can't bomb and gouge there.
makes sense for him to use the extra space in his bag for extra wedges. each wedge does different things, they aren't just different lofts for different yardages. more wedges equals more shots and more saved shots.
he is playing to his strengths and away from his weakness. its not really working that well(unfortunately for him his other weakness his long game swing in general), but that doesn't mean he should be criticized for making strategical decisions.
You do have some good points, but like a previous poster said, why five wedges when he has one of the best short games around.
Jim Kobylinski
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it only makes sense to not use a driver if you are planning on hitting fairways. he could hit just as many fairways as he currently is using driver and being closer to the hole using shorter irons that will spin more which should allow him to get closer.
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thefuture37
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the fact that he hasn't been able to execute his strategy doesn't mean the strategy was wrong. how much distance is he giving up really? 20 yards at most. how much spin can you really get out of some of those rough lies? yesterday Tiger was talking about how you can't get to some of the pins even with short irons from the fairway.
Jim Kobylinski
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He is giving up a lot of yardage, probably 30-40; phil is long but he usually isn't that far behind Tiger or Adam. It's not the spin out of the rough lies but just the ability to have a club with enough loft to get it out.
Also, tiger is being tiger, there were plenty of pins yesterday that were easy to get too. Not all of them obviously, but from what i've read and seen in the interviews there is a good mix of easy/medium/sucker pin positions.
One one hole Friday, Woods hit a huge fade with driver, and Mickelson hit a normal draw with the 3W and they were 30 yards apart at least. I was not impressed with the "not giving up much" claim with that evidence.
Kevin Shields
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Rocco's giving up at least 50 to Tiger and he's one back only because of historic heroics by Tiger.
thefuture37
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rocco's play is showing that the us open is really less of a complete test of golf and more of a test of driving accuracy and gir.
tank
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But you could say that Tiger's play contradicts your statement.
thefuture37
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Tiger is the exception to many golf rules. When you can hole 60 foot eagle putts, hole out from impossible lies, etc.. the rules no longer apply to you.
golfbulldog
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Could argue that for the 4 majors to mean something then each has to maintain its individual character...the US open has always been a FIR/GIR set up...Hogan liked it that way....
Masters is what it is...fierce greens and mental strength...(not getting sucked in by all the beauty and lack of rough)...and it used to offer a "last roll of the dice" back nine for the heroic charger..
USPGA...lacks definition except extreme sweat-fest when held in August...so physical endurance i guess
Open championship...Links golf...deep bunkers...seaside weather etc...
So if you win all 4 (no matter how long it takes) ...then you have mastered golf.
The same can not be said of the WGC events...although a matchplay event or two is worthwhile spice and made the old USPGA a different flavour.
tank
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Sure, but that doesn't account for Ogilvy who has barely seen a fairway.
thefuture37
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I agree and I like it that way. I was just commenting in response to people that say the US Open is the most complete test of golf(usually they base it on how high the scores are). The PGA Championship is pretty boring in comparison to the other three majors. I'd like to see it go back to being a matchplay event.
Pelz
Back in the late 80's Pelz convinced everyone that they should add a 3rd wedge--usually a 60--largely based upon Tom Kite's success. Players were somewhat slow to adopt this suggestion, and many suggested that they could produce all the shots required with their 2 wedges...Watson did a pretty good job with his sand wedge in the US Open @ Pebble. The players felt they had enough skill to produce the required shot without resorting to equipment. It seemed like cheating for those of us when we first hit a 60. Skill, talent and creativity can not be replaced by equipment alone. Phil's talent provides him less dependence on equipment with respect the the short game, not more...he really blew it. He didn't hit the fairway with his 3 wood, which was very predictable given that it would require monk-like discipline to avoid trying to squeeze a little extra yardage from it and thus hitting it in the rough. Pelz was correct in the 80's but he's clearly off-base with this 5 wedge idea!
Back in the late 80's Pelz convinced everyone that they should add a 3rd wedge--usually a 60--largely based upon Tom Kite's success. Players were somewhat slow to adopt this suggestion, and many suggested that they could produce all the shots required with their 2 wedges...Watson did a pretty good job with his sand wedge in the US Open @ Pebble. The players felt they had enough skill to produce the required shot without resorting to equipment. It seemed like cheating for those of us when we first hit a 60. Skill, talent and creativity can not be replaced by equipment alone. Phil's talent provides him less dependence on equipment with respect the the short game, not more...he really blew it. He didn't hit the fairway with his 3 wood, which was very predictable given that it would require monk-like discipline to avoid trying to squeeze a little extra yardage from it and thus hitting it in the rough. Pelz was correct in the 80's but he's clearly off-base with this 5 wedge idea!
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thefuture37
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clearly?
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