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DivotDelight

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Hi:

I started using a 6 iron as a reference iron, positioning it about 1 ball length left of the center of my chest. Used the inside corner of the ball as the aiming point, and when I switched to an 8 iron, I positioned the ball just left of the center of my chest, and used the left side of the ball as the aiming point, which coincides with the same aiming point as the 6 iron. Had success the past 2 days doing this starting with chipping and pitch shots.

Now the 5-iron. I positioned it about a half ball length to the left of the 6 iron ball position, and my aiming point was about a half ball length to the right of the ball. First 2 attempts were pretty good. Then shanksville. Gave up and went back to the 6 and 8. Pretty strange feeling aiming at the ground behind the ball, but expecting the clubhead to hit the ball.

Ended up the 2 1/2 hour session with the big stick. Positioned ball in front of left shoulder, and aimed at the inside corner of the ball, or in the general direction of the ball...not too specific. Hit a couple of nice ones, then ended up hitting 20-50 yd popups. Great hang time of about 8-10 seconds.!!! I wonder if for the driver I should be aiming for the same 6 iron reference position.


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DivotDelight

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Let me get this right, your aiming point is BEHIND the ball?
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Yes for For the 5I in the example above. Still very foggy about aiming points when using multiple ball positions. From your perplexed response, I have obviously got this completely wrong..
 
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MizunoJoe

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He's shooting his rifle before the pivot has transported him to the point where he should be pulling the trigger. The aiming point has to be established at impact fix. This is assuming a "hands controlled pivot". For "pivot controlled hands", the "aiming point", if you want to call it that, is just straight down, hoping that the pivot is precise enough.
 
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DivotDelight

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Aiming point is established by experiment according to TGM. I believe what you are talking about is position of hands at impact which is different. Aiming point, as I understand it, is where the loaded lag is driven to in a linear path along the delivery line. Not where the hands end up at impact. Going over the discussion on TGM forum and C. evans' forum by Yoda, Chuck and golfinggradny, I believe I have the procedure correct for multiple ball position. Wondering if aiming point behind the ball for long irons is not correct.
 
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MizunoJoe

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I didn't say the aiming point is a "hand location". Aiming point is the point on the delivery line(usually the plane line) toward which you thrust PP #3(hands). Determining this point at an address position other than impact fix, is imprecise. Why guess when you can go to impact fix and find it's EXACT location on the delivery line???
 
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DivotDelight

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Impact fix doesn't take into account handspeed, which is one of the factors used in determining aiming point. In TGM, 6-E-2 THe Aiming Point COncept"This Aiming Point can be pin-pointed by experiment and experience only, because Handspeed differs among players"

But Homer also states later on " Actually, when in doubt, there is always the Impact Hand Location procedure (7-8)"

The impact fix procedure sounds like a less precise procedure because a dynamic determination using handspeed isn't involved. This sounds like a better procedure for chipping where the hands don't often get behind the ball and there really isn't a release point because the hands are already in the release zone and the hands don't change their angles or alignments.
 
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MizunoJoe

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Divot,

At one time Bobby Clampett was doing an impact fix on every shot, and generating lots of comments from broadcasters. Why do you think he was doing that?
 
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6bee1dee

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Brian once stated that the aiming point is where you see your hands fall if they flew off prior to impact. Ben told me that aiming point is JUST where the handle is at the forward press. I just like to think it is after my left thigh. IN ALL cases the aiming point is in front of the ball (target side). Aiming point ensures that the hands stay in front of the clubhead, which at this point of the swing is dying to smash into something.

ps the ONLY place for an aiming point to be behind the ball is????.... right, in the bunker with a sandwedge trying to get the ball up over a high lip. This is because one is trying to slide or throw the open face under the ball to pop it up.

Edited the words in front to behind, typo of the brain
 
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DivotDelight

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Aiming point should ALWAYS be in front of the ball.
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Your next beta version should explain this in more detail. Aiming point appears to have a different meaning here than on the other 2 TGM forums. Thrust direction and impact hand location....2 different means to the same end I guess. Yoda states "..you can direct the Thrust directly at the Ball or in front of it or behind it. " But he advocates multiple ball positions and you teach a single ball position. Maybe that is the reason for the difference. ARGHHH!!
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Why would your aiming point be in front of the ball in a bunker? You should be hitting aiming behind it to do just as you describe as hitting the sand
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Why would your aiming point be in front of the ball in a bunker? You should be hitting aiming behind it to do just as you describe as hitting the sand
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Typo of the brain. I changed it.

It doesn't have to be but the only time it could be is in the bunker for certain shots.
 
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Martee

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Aiming point should ALWAYS be in front of the ball.
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I think Mr. Kelly allowed for forward or aft of the ball 6-E-2-1 and 6-E-2-2. This is two of 3 procedures noted.
 
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DivotDelight

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quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

Divot,

At one time Bobby Clampett was doing an impact fix on every shot, and generating lots of comments from broadcasters. Why do you think he was doing that?
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To verify alingments. See 8-2, 8-0 7-8.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Why would your aiming point be in front of the ball in a bunker? You should be hitting aiming behind it to do just as you describe as hitting the sand
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Typo of the brain. I changed it.

It doesn't have to be but the only time it could be is in the bunker for certain shots.
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I tend to "aim" towards the front of the ball when trying to get out of a tight lipped bunker where the ball is VERY close to the lip
 
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