More than one way to hit a slice... wow I think I over 'cured' myself

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I've been working hard on path correction via NSA 2.0.

I still go to the range, or start a round and I have to concentrate, or should I say consciously emphasize the idea of letting the club drop down, then turning my shoulders later in the swing... this is at the beginning of all my rounds lately.

The past 5 or so rounds I notice I go from a slight fade at the beginning, to a moderate to severe PULL later in the round (driver/woods). Irons will end up getting hit in the toe. Has anyone else had this happen???

I'm looking frantically for the answer, and I read somewhere that toe hits are often a symptom of coming inside too much and not releasing the body enough! :eek: Wow. And that this mechanical problem will often cause pull hooks, and sometimes (with toe hits) push fades. :eek:

So if this is true, this would mean I go full circle in a round. I start the round thinking, 'Don't come over the top' to hitting the ball too inside and not finishing the swing enough. (In fact I enforce my left arm to take control of the downswing so I don't use my right side to come over the top.)

The recommendation I read about to fix this is to engage my shoulders a little earlier in the strike zone, and to make sure I feel like my club is finishing more 'left' than 'right' of my body after impact.

I was shocked to read that coming inside might be my problem as I've fought coming over the top for a year. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Does this sound like a plausible explanation for what's happening to me halfway through a round?
 
I've been working hard on path correction via NSA 2.0.

I still go to the range, or start a round and I have to concentrate, or should I say consciously emphasize the idea of letting the club drop down, then turning my shoulders later in the swing... this is at the beginning of all my rounds lately.

The past 5 or so rounds I notice I go from a slight fade at the beginning, to a moderate to severe PULL later in the round (driver/woods). Irons will end up getting hit in the toe. Has anyone else had this happen???

I'm looking frantically for the answer, and I read somewhere that toe hits are often a symptom of coming inside too much and not releasing the body enough! :eek: Wow. And that this mechanical problem will often cause pull hooks, and sometimes (with toe hits) push fades. :eek:

So if this is true, this would mean I go full circle in a round. I start the round thinking, 'Don't come over the top' to hitting the ball too inside and not finishing the swing enough. (In fact I enforce my left arm to take control of the downswing so I don't use my right side to come over the top.)

The recommendation I read about to fix this is to engage my shoulders a little earlier in the strike zone, and to make sure I feel like my club is finishing more 'left' than 'right' of my body after impact.

I was shocked to read that coming inside might be my problem as I've fought coming over the top for a year. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Does this sound like a plausible explanation for what's happening to me halfway through a round?

you'd b surprised how quickly your swing can change. you hit a push fade. you think you're coming over it, when in actual fact your swinging too far right without noticing it. you swing more right and the ball goes further right. you subconsciously start swinging more left.

or you hit a OTT pull and try to get more to the inside. ball keeps goin left, but you still think you're coming over it.

ball flight can be deceiving :(
 
I was noticing the same pattern on my shots. Off the toe, pulls and some fades. I went to my pro and we checked in on video. I was coming from outside-in (my common problem) and flipping it a bit. I would have never guessed this was the problem until I saw the video. I would swear the my path was correct. I just shows that feel is not real. Get yourself on video and you may be surprised.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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The best way to diagnose yourself is to truly learn the ballflight laws...maybe i could get brian to make it a topic of one of the shows.
 
The best way to diagnose yourself is to truly learn the ballflight laws...maybe i could get brian to make it a topic of one of the shows.

Jim,
I've heard you guys talk about the ballflight laws, and I would def. 2nd seeing a topic around this in an upcoming show.
 
I guess I'd third that request for ball flight troubleshooting.

I've been given some tips on how to figure out if my 'slice' is from over the top, open face, or a push. It actually makes a huge difference to know this stuff.

I have been told I am pushing-slicing. With irons it results in a toe hit.
 
I guess I'd third that request for ball flight troubleshooting.

I've been given some tips on how to figure out if my 'slice' is from over the top, open face, or a push. It actually makes a huge difference to know this stuff.

I have been told I am pushing-slicing. With irons it results in a toe hit.

Think you may find it is the other way around Colin...the toe hit is making the push slice........especially if your toe hits ground first, which will drag the blade open....
 
Nope. Often there isn't a divot.

Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing:

I'm saying coming inside, and not completing the turn properly through the ball (I'm right handed so I'm saying: club needs to finish more -left- after impact), results in a path that starts the ball left and stays there. (driver/woods only)

I'm stopping at the range on the way home to test this out. I actually had my instructor watch the latest batch of video and he's stumped. He claims my path is fine, and my club positions are fine.

I think it complicates things because my problem changes throughout the round! (It goes from over the top slightly (fade), to a bad pull halfway through the round).

It might be time for a playing lesson. I feel like I'm trying to solve the origin of the pyramids of Egypt here or something. :D

Typically when I start a round, I'm so consumed with not coming over the top, I hardly use my right side. I don't know if this is common, but when I actively use my right side in the down swing, I'm over the top. With a left side downswing, I find it amazingly easier to come inside-out on the ball.

What I believe happens from doing this is by mid-round it is overcooked, and my body shuts down in the downswing, and doesn't turn left enough. I could be wrong, I'm just throwing this out there since my instructor thinks my path is not over the top.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Let me make this abundantly clear:

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the ball to START LEFT and FADE RIGHT with a path that is neutral or to the right...IMPOSSIBLE
 
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