My jaw hit the floor

[wanole]

Lead was on golf academy last night and he is telling people to basically vertical hinge on a full swing. He wants the clubface facing the sky shortly after impact (both arms straight). He says VJ does it. I was like WTF? VJ rotates to where his right hand comes off the club after impact.

He bent his left wrist and showed basically a cupping motion to get the face pointing to the sky. You would have to flip to get to that position.

Am I missing something here?

 

[MizunoJoe]

It's Leadbetter who's missing something - Singh does a full left arm roll on full shots with horizontal hinging. Look at frame #7 here -

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80095

 

[wanole]

thanks..That is what I thought. I wonder how these guys get so famous with BS.

 

[jeffy]

Was he talking about a sand or flop shot? Stan Utley's sand shot (which he learned from Tom Pernice) has the club face facing the sky right after impact, where he also wants the swing to finish on this kind of shot. I don't think you can hit full shots very far with that method, though.

 

[birdie_man]

quote:Originally posted by jeffy
I don't think you can hit full shots very far with that method, though.

Not at all man. No compression- Vertical Hinging. Lob shots.

 

[birdie_man]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

It's Leadbetter who's missing something - Singh does a full left arm roll on full shots with horizontal hinging. Look at frame #7 here -

http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/80095

It's funny...he doesn't seem to do it with his wedges either (red shirt sequence). Look at his right hand....clubface seems to be rotating towards a Hor. Hinge.

BTW wanole- are you sure Lead said it was for a full swing, full power shot?

 

[wanole]

He was talking about a full swing. Some kid asked him how to stop over-rotation on the follow thru, so he said that players including VJ are now trying to get the clubface pointed at the sky, so try that. I couldn't believe it. I had to rewind to make sure. Had noting to do with the short game.

 

[jeffy]

quote:Originally posted by wanole

He was talking about a full swing. Some kid asked him how to stop over-rotation on the follow thru, so he said that players including VJ are now trying to get the clubface pointed at the sky, so try that. I couldn't believe it. I had to rewind to make sure. Had noting to do with the short game.

This should work real well with Vijay's 5* open driver...

 

[Brian Manzella]

Now you all know why I am still in this rat race.

I should be a lock.

 

[Brian Manzella]

What would you teach if you had NEVER hit one shot in your whole life with the club "up your left arm" through impact?

 

[Robbohank]

quote:Originally posted by wanole

Lead was on golf academy last night and he is telling people to basically vertical hinge on a full swing. He wants the clubface facing the sky shortly after impact (both arms straight). He says VJ does it. I was like WTF? VJ rotates to where his right hand comes off the club after impact.

He bent his left wrist and showed basically a cupping motion to get the face pointing to the sky. You would have to flip to get to that position.

Am I missing something here?

Wanole,

Saw the same episode. My eyes just got real big and then I started laughing. It was definitely a full shot motion he was describing. I only hope he was trying to describe a "feels as if" sensation to someone who might not be keeping the hinge working perpendicular to the plane of motion. (He tried to show a visual of his hands/wrists rolling and pronating excessively thru impact and this being a "fix).

I'm sure I heard the jaws of several TGM'ers hitting the floor if they were watching that show. I can only imagine how many folks started hitting it "high and right" the next day.

 

[birdie_man]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

What would you teach if you had NEVER hit one shot in your whole life with the club "up your left arm" through impact?

Dunno.....the Twistaway?

Prolly not Vertical Hinging, anyway......when I try for a Vertical Hinge, I usually end up bending my left wrist through Impact.

-Paul

 

[wanole]

Oh he bent his left wrist big time. I about you know what. I have been doing that my whole golfing life and am trying to stop of course. It was total flip break the left wrist.

 

[Steve Khatib]

Steering or a verticle hinge is the illusion of the hacker for a full swing standard procedure.

You can make more money selling illusions as that is what they and their peer groups believe is correct.

 

[6bee1dee]

This is the same motion (vertical hinge right palm up) that Mike Austin or maybe it is just his followers that claims he does to hit the ball a mile. I find it too hard to believe.
I watched that Leadbetter show on TGC in a motel that night- I'm sure by laughter drowned out all the sex and head boards banging throughout the hallways for a few hours. And that bent broken left wrist. And his answer to a kid (I’m built like Sean) who wanted more distance... Lead said to have a more active upper body. What??

 

[metallion]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

This is the same motion (vertical hinge right palm up) that Mike Austin or maybe it is just his followers that claims he does to hit the ball a mile. I find it too hard to believe.

Yes. Flip and reverse roll is stuff from the Austin camp and what Mike Dunaway shows on his DVD with Mike Austin. With all the talk and marketing I would not be surprised if some of the pros experimented with it. Pretty hard to swallow for most TGM individuals. What it really is (I believe):
1. Grab a club and impact fix
2. Flip and see that you get clubhead speed
3. Note that you've shortened your primary lever => loss of clubhead speed driven by angular speed
4. Note that clubface closes. => compensate by a reverse roll
5. End up gaining nothing
6. Note that Mike Austin was built like a horse
7. Go to the gym
8. Get something

 

[David Alford]

In "reality", the clubface rarely goes skyward except on pitch shots, sand shots. But you can feel it behaving that way on full power shots, as Moe Norman did.

He wasn't a flipper by any means. And thru impact, he accelerated very well. I wouldn't say it means a loss of power at all if done correctly. He tried to feel as if the clubface never turnerd over (although of course it did).

 

[cdog]

I disagree on what Mike Austin did. I don't care how strong he was. your not going to get the consistant distance Austin got verticle hinging.
I do agree that Dan Shauger taught a verticle hinge type motion.
Austins main point was he didnt concentrate on having a bent frozen rear wrist, was his rear wrist bent at impact, yes it was, was his lead flat at impact, yes it was.
Austins mantra is step and throw, throwing the clubhead into the ball.
Tom Tomasello also taught in his vid's at Lynn's site the same type action, "take out what you put in", he stated "with a correct pivot you wont be able to".

 

[birdie_man]

quote:Originally posted by cdog

I disagree on what Mike Austin did. I don't care how strong he was. your not going to get the consistant distance Austin got verticle hinging.
I do agree that Dan Shauger taught a verticle hinge type motion.
Austins main point was he didnt concentrate on having a bent frozen rear wrist, was his rear wrist bent at impact, yes it was, was his lead flat at impact, yes it was.
Austins mantra is step and throw, throwing the clubhead into the ball.
Tom Tomasello also taught in his vid's at Lynn's site the same type action, "take out what you put in", he stated "with a correct pivot you wont be able to".

I'm guessing he prolly had an Angled Hinge??