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Hey guys, haven't visited here in a while, trying to get my game back on track so late today went up the driving range and took video of my swing. I'd really appreciate any help with my many faults.

The files are on a temp server for now, you'll need to right click and save as. I'll try to get them hosted on a better server if there's a problem. Thanks in advance.

http://www.freewebs.com/revert/driverDownline.avi
http://www.freewebs.com/revert/driverFaceOn.avi
http://www.freewebs.com/revert/ironDownline.avi
http://www.freewebs.com/revert/ironfaceon.avi
 
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I'm not sure what you mean are you talking yardages? If you are, they're reasonable. I average 290 off the tee for my well struck shots with the driver. 5 iron yardage is 195.
 
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Your setup needs work IMO. Your feet are way closed to your shoulders.

Your clubface is pointing to the sky rather than away from the plane.

I like your move throught the ball.
 
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Thanks wanole, yeah i need to work on alignment badly. I think my shoulders are too closed to my feet. I can understand it with my driver as i play it a little more forward than most but with the irons, not sure why it's got so bad. Thanks again.
 
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quote:Originally posted by revert

I'm not sure what you mean are you talking yardages? If you are, they're reasonable. I average 290 off the tee for my well struck shots with the driver. 5 iron yardage is 195.
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I thought you might be wacking it a long way. :)

Was asking about yardages, ball flight & scoring. Sorry, my bad.

When I took a look at your swing I thought you might be setting up the way you do on purpose. But seems like wanole really nailed it - your setup has drifted crosswise for some reason.

The open club face - and what looks like an off-plane shaft - are probably side effects of set up; hands take off on line of shoulder alignment and clubhead follows feet.

Why are you setting up crossways? Could be ball position drift w/ irons, like in ironfaceon.avi where the ball is near right foot. And this carrying over to driver.

Or, could be you are trying to swing too much inside-out (pushing it to right) and all this - ball position, crossed feet and shoulders - is just compensations.

Beats me.[?]

Should be easy to fix - check ball position and alignments. When you get your swing straightened, could you post an update?

Excellent swing, no question about that.


Vaako
 
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Thanks for the comments Vaako. My ball flight is normally a draw but snap hooks can creep in off the tee, handicap is currently 3.4 but i'd say i'm playing more to 5 or 6 right now .

Why are you setting up crossways? I have no idea and it's definately not deliberately, wasn't even aware until i took the camera with me last night. I guess how i got their doesn't really matter now, just need to work to fix it.

The open club face - and what looks like an off-plane shaft - are probably side effects of set up; hands take off on line of shoulder alignment and clubhead follows feet.

Sounds interesting and when i look at my swing i do see this. I'm going to work on my setup and my strong grip for now and see how things look. I'll be sure to post a video update soon. Thanks again.
 
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Like I said - this one really goes to wanole. I hope Brian & others will also pitch in.

Am looking forward to update!

Vaako
 
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Thanks to all. I was actually wanting to have some lessons from a TGM instructor but there's none for miles so i'm pretty much stuck on my own. I don't have the book and i'm not sure it would help me much anyway. I think i'd need to be face to face with an instructor to understand. I was considering purchasing some of Brians short videos, would i be able to make sense of them? Also, i'm not quite getting the hitter v swinger thing at all. I look at my swing and i don't know. At a guess i'd say a hitter. It's something i think i need to understand before purchasing any of the videos.
 
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You have a very solid motion, with a setup problem and a takeaway problem.

Setup - ball WAY too far back (iron face on) You compensate by using a stronger grip, which 'can' work, although I'd never recommend anything back of center for any normal full swing shot. Moving the ball forward in your setup will naturally get your grip a bit more neutral.

The 'reason' you can not do that now is in your takeaway - you have a 'lift and roll' takeaway, but compensate for it quite well. If you keep that takeaway and adjust the ball position and grip, you are likely to hit shank city, big time. At the start of your swing you move your hands higher, and away from you - which forces you to roll, and then lift up to the top - where you have a very nice position given your setup.

You need to work on the takeaway and feel the clubhead 'outside' the hands until hip high - get the club cocking 'up plane' and those hands feeling 'under' the shaft - in your case the hands should 'feel' inside, and under the shaft.

A wonderful drill for you is to address a ball, cock the club straight up - in front of you - then take the hands what feels like straight back - keeping the 'feel' of the clubhead moving on a parallel straight back track.

That should let you feel the 'hands under the shaft' takeaway feeling at about halfway back.

A drill shown to me by an instructor in SF, at Mission Bay, can't recall his name unfortunately.

Minor setup adjustment and adjusted takeaway and your swing is top notch! Great job.
 
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revert,

Thanks for update and sorry for late reply.

I've been going over your vids and I must admit I can't get a handle on what's going on. I can give you the yada,yada about your right hip is blocking the right elbow causing a throw-out action...

But you can see all that yourself.

The thing that pops up to my mind is that maybe this could be fitness related? Have you had lower back injury lately - as in last 3 mo. - or a change in fitness level/program?

If you aren't back in form yet and think we (us forum members) might come up with something at least semi-intelligent - just drop a post and keep the discussion going.


Vaako
 
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Hey vaako, thanks for the reply. No back injuries but i really need to work on my flexibility. I've tried working some more on my swing and here's two more vids. Let me know what you guys think, any advice or tips would be appreciated. Hopefully i'm moving in the right direction.


http://www.freewebs.com/revert/ironDownMarch20.avi
http://www.freewebs.com/revert/ironFaceMarch20.avi

Really been working on grip and plane this past week. Next few weeks i'll be working hard on fixing my allignment and posture. Probably should've worked those first :)
 
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Face on position looks a lot better. Ball position is still back of where it should be, but that is within the range of OK for an iron - if you were knocking it down low.

Down the line, notice the butt of the club during the takeway - it moves out away from you - this is the 'lift and roll'.

Imagine the butt of the club moves straight back until hip high, and get those hands 'under' the club. Split grip drills with that image should be helpful to you, as would be working on your takeaway with your back to a wall - get the club 'up' and the hands 'under' without letting those hands/butt of club move away from you - straight back with the butt of the club, clubhead 'outside' the hands until hip high.

Also, check your shoulder alignment, looks like you have the shoulders open, which helps cause the 'lift and roll' - hitting split grip shots with your right foot drawn way back may help.
 
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Thanks again EdZ, you've been a great help. Your correct, my shoulders are a little open, i'll work on fixing that. My biggest problem seems to be the "lift and roll" as you call it. I'm finding it difficuilt to stop this, i just manipulate my hands right from the start into this position. I will try the drills you recommend and focus on moving the butt of the club straight back. If i can fix this problem i think i can start playing really well again. I'm striking the ball great, hitting a lot of striaght shots but it's too inconsistent for my handicap. Thanks again.
 
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revert,

While you are at work with posture take a look at Readgoat's galleries. He has a section about "Tush Line". This could be the last piece in the puzzle. All about the old "Butt out, Mr. President" stuff.

Getting your lower back straight, you may have to move the ball further (away from you) to make room. Could help with "lift and roll", too. Theory here being, that you move your hands the way you do for a reason; your hips are blocking the backswing path you want. This block can live only inside your brain - "the hands won't buy it" - and be hard to pick from the video.

If you study TGM, this turns up in regards for the reason for pre-setting your hips.

When you finish this project, please post a final update with the swing in parade order!


Vaako
 
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Thanks Vakko. I was able to get out yesterday and play 9. Finished +1 but hit 8 GIR but only 5 fairways. Couldn't putt, the greens had just been aerated.

Anyhow, after finishing the 9 i hit the driving range. Strange i was working on exactly what you mention, the "tush line". I saw the problem in my video but was looking at it more of a downswing problem but can see where it could cause issues on the backswing.

I'll definately post some more video once i feel i'm close to where i want to be.
 
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