My swing today (video)

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Yeah, my irons are much more consistent. I've always been acurate with my driver, its my iron play that has always bothered me. Although I had a bit more turn over with forearms at impact on that particular shot from the back, my misses tend to end up around the green more often than before.
 
Your motion looks great. It looks like your left wrist gets a little cuppy at the top? You look like you play a draw but I see some pull hooks in that motion.

What is your handicap? Gotta be pretty low?
 
Well I don't carry a handicap. At one time I was a scratch but with as little as I've been able to practice it's probably up to about a 4. I'm really hitting the range hard though to get prepared for a couple of tournaments these next couple months. It's still a relatively new motion for me and I am definately routing the club differently than my body is used to. The club is a tad bit laid off. Right now that's not as much of a concern for me because I'm working on path. Trying to swing the club in the correct direction without tension forcing it. When I'm able to remove all the tension then the laid off position should go away.

The other thing is the clubface when it's comming forward. Before I was closing the clubface very early at the start of my forward swing. Now the clubface is rotating more and my hands are swinging much more from the inside to the ball. Before I was over the top of it and really had to push downward with my right hand. I would trap the ball in a way but with a forward ball position.
 
Here's a thought...

I watched your action some more. You "swing" it well. I wonder how you approach your scoring shots. Do you hit cuts?

You might consider some angled hinging or hitting to control that face. I don't see to many soft cuts in the swings you've posted. I've always had more luck with a hitting procedure than swinging for accuracy.

Good Luck
 

hue

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Ringer: It looks like a pretty good single shift swinging motion using horizontal hinging to me.Your address reminds me of Lee Janzen. The me it looks like you are setting up with a bit too much weight on your heels with a little too much knee bend but you stay on the tush line which is good. I suspect there is a little throw away from half way down(Hard to be precise as I could not stop the footage where I wanted to on the front view). The give away for me is that just past impact the shaft could be a little more up your left arm . If you aimed your hands a little further forward before you started uncocking and maintained more right wrist bend at impact to the point where your right arm straightens it would look better and you would get more compression IMO. Other than the points raised it looks very good to me. I suspect at some point you have had the thought of swinging the club head to the ball rather than swinging your hand past the ball and this would account for the slight throwaway look in otherwise a very good swing. It is a big improvement on you former swing where the throw the club head look is more evident. I am sure if you saw Brian or Ben that they would work on improving your mash/compression and impact hands.
 
Ringer: It looks like a pretty good single shift swinging motion using horizontal hinging to me.Your address reminds me of Lee Janzen. The me it looks like you are setting up with a bit too much weight on your heels with a little too much knee bend but you stay on the tush line which is good. I suspect there is a little throw away from half way down(Hard to be precise as I could not stop the footage where I wanted to on the front view). The give away for me is that just past impact the shaft could be a little more up your left arm . If you aimed your hands a little further forward before you started uncocking and maintained more right wrist bend at impact to the point where your right arm straightens it would look better and you would get more compression IMO. Other than the points raised it looks very good to me. I suspect at some point you have had the thought of swinging the club head to the ball rather than swinging your hand past the ball and this would account for the slight throwaway look in otherwise a very good swing. It is a big improvement on you former swing where the throw the club head look is more evident. I am sure if you saw Brian or Ben that they would work on improving your mash/compression and impact hands.

Thanks Hue. Always good to hear your insights.
 
Still no comment BM?

You must be on the phone with Mr. Toms. I understand. He probably pays more than I do for advice. :D
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Honestly i can't really tell too much from the video, it's really hard to catch.

However some things i see:

1) You don't get "on your right leg" enough in the backswing. You stay very centered over the ball (which is fine) but to hit the ball right from this position you need a very strong (and big) lateral move of the hips to get the necessary axis tilt to bring the right shoulder downplane. Otherwise if you don't you will lose your axis tilt through the ball and hit the ball thin and have trouble hitting the ball and low and/or pulls/pull hooks.

2) Because of the above it it also makes it hard to stay on plane through the ball, which is why it seems (video is fast that's why i said seems) the right forearm is off plane because you have to swing slightly too far in/out, again because of lack of tilt.

So combine 1/2 and you end up with over draws and hooks as your issues.

Just guesses.
 
Honestly i can't really tell too much from the video, it's really hard to catch.

However some things i see:

1) You don't get "on your right leg" enough in the backswing. You stay very centered over the ball (which is fine) but to hit the ball right from this position you need a very strong (and big) lateral move of the hips to get the necessary axis tilt to bring the right shoulder downplane. Otherwise if you don't you will lose your axis tilt through the ball and hit the ball thin and have trouble hitting the ball and low and/or pulls/pull hooks.

2) Because of the above it it also makes it hard to stay on plane through the ball, which is why it seems (video is fast that's why i said seems) the right forearm is off plane because you have to swing slightly too far in/out, again because of lack of tilt.

So combine 1/2 and you end up with over draws and hooks as your issues.

Just guesses.

Hmm.. sounds like really just setting up with more axis tilt is what you're looking for.

When I compare my swing with Tigers in 2000 I see he was much wider and further back on his right leg. He also used more shoulder turn. I have plenty of flexibility to get that same shoulder turn he did back then and I'm thinking I might just start working on that. But if I do this, it should put me more on my right leg that you're looking for. Kind of kill two birds with one stone. I'm looking for more power and I think that's a good place to start.

Now, believe it or not my natural miss is to the right. I tend to go back to my old habits and get stuck with the club behind me. Then I prop the club slightly upright at impact making the toe dig into the ground.

I think with a wider backswing and being more "on my right" as you put it, it should probably help with that.

Some very good insights Jim. Sorry I didn't see your reply before.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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Well it was hard to catch from the video but i could tell your issue is to drop underplane so if don't try and flip too much you would leave it out to the right but i know you tend to be a drawer of the ball so i thought you'd tend to hook it.

If you want a good model to copy, you could look at Mike Finney's videos. He's tall and thin with similar build to you.
 
Well it was hard to catch from the video but i could tell your issue is to drop underplane so if don't try and flip too much you would leave it out to the right but i know you tend to be a drawer of the ball so i thought you'd tend to hook it.

If you want a good model to copy, you could look at Mike Finney's videos. He's tall and thin with similar build to you.

Well if you look at the old video you can see that my tendency is not at all to be under plane on the forward swing. In fact I'm under plane on the takeaway, then lift up vertically, then I get a little too far forward with a slight over the top move.

That over the top move combined with the propped up hands at impact made for an interesting short fade. I would fix that by closing the clubface early and if all things were equal I'd hit a decent straight shot. The other thing I did from there is have a high amount of Right wrist bend. I would force that bend through the shot, which I used to think was proper. But what happened for me from that angle is that I would occasionally hit that double cross pull hook.

Now I'm working on making my backswing more on plane and more vertical to start. Instead of letting my forearms roll to take the club away which made me so flat to start. I had a huge reroute.

Now I really don't know what my tendencies are with this new swing. I'm still exploring. It's possible I might start hooking but because I'm still trying to make the same move through impact that I had with my old swing I'm not sure. I generally still see my misses right, but not nearly as often.

Thank you for your input again. I think I'm going to tilt a bit more at setup and try to get a tad bit wider on the backswing like Tiger was. Hopefully that should help me stay on plane on the forward swing.
 
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