New release??
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How do I achieve the new release?
Michael Jacobs
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Buy the video
Jared Willerson
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There have been several threads and multiple videos posted throughout the course of the last few months. I would suggest using the search feature and doing some reading.
The Manzellaisms thread offers a lot of definitions that could clear up any misconceptions you may have.
I second the recommendation to buy the video. Money well spent.
The Manzellaisms thread offers a lot of definitions that could clear up any misconceptions you may have.
I second the recommendation to buy the video. Money well spent.
Brian Manzella
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I have NEVER CALLED IT a "New" Release.
The video is called IDEAS about The Release.
But....
To answer your "questions".....
What's new is ACTUAL SCIENCE is being used to describe, decipher, and TEACH the forces the golfer puts on the ball from the top of the swing through impact.
What the fuss is all about is how DIFFERENT the information is than the pull the handle through or push the handle through swings commonly taught the last 20 years. Importantly, the "idea" that the club should NEVER PASS THE LEFT ARM through impact was exposed for what it is—a guess.
To achieve it,from the top pull the club in the direction of the shaft CONTINUOUSLY as you begin to straighten your right arm (and your left arm slightly if it was bent) out away from you away from the target WHILE you preserve as much of your FULL shoulder turn as you can. About half-way down, WHILE YOUR CHEST IS FACING YOUR HANDS, use your right shoulder and right arm to re-position themselves to help you rotate the club about a point between your hands. When the club has some speed from this rotation, and the clubhead is level or slightly lower than your hands, use everything you have to pull the grip off of the club as our hips move left, open, and you lose all of your forward bend.
The video is called IDEAS about The Release.
But....
To answer your "questions".....
What's new is ACTUAL SCIENCE is being used to describe, decipher, and TEACH the forces the golfer puts on the ball from the top of the swing through impact.
What the fuss is all about is how DIFFERENT the information is than the pull the handle through or push the handle through swings commonly taught the last 20 years. Importantly, the "idea" that the club should NEVER PASS THE LEFT ARM through impact was exposed for what it is—a guess.
To achieve it,from the top pull the club in the direction of the shaft CONTINUOUSLY as you begin to straighten your right arm (and your left arm slightly if it was bent) out away from you away from the target WHILE you preserve as much of your FULL shoulder turn as you can. About half-way down, WHILE YOUR CHEST IS FACING YOUR HANDS, use your right shoulder and right arm to re-position themselves to help you rotate the club about a point between your hands. When the club has some speed from this rotation, and the clubhead is level or slightly lower than your hands, use everything you have to pull the grip off of the club as our hips move left, open, and you lose all of your forward bend.
Thank You
Brian Manzella
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You are quite welcome.
Here are some answers for some other folks:
"The term ‘new’ release is probably a confusing way of putting it because there have been golfers who have utilized the ‘new’ release for years."
Like I said, I never have called it a new release, it probably is as old as the fireman "putting" on ice. Someone on my forum called it that, and it stuck. I like to called it the Nesbit Hub Path Release.
"I think the main idea from the Manzella people is to have ‘maximum shaft lean while minimizing the attack angle.’"
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"(Manzella is saying) Don’t try to ‘hold the lag’ and instead ‘throw’ the club ‘out’ in the startdown. When you try to actively ‘hold the lag’ the balance point of the club counteracts that and you are more likely to cast the club."
What I am actually saying is this: Don't "hold" anything, pull along the hand path early, which will be WIDER for most at that point of the swing, much like the pull an arrow out of a quiver from TGM. This will have the effect of keeping the balnce point inside the hands and creating MORE effective lag early on.
The "throw the club in line early" is a variation of Jack Nicklaus' idea from the top, and works for a percentage of golfers directly proportional to how much they tried to pull their hands STRAIGHT at the ball from the top—or even further forward.
"The #1 Pressure Point (they call in the ‘coupling point’) should rise upward from about p6 to p7 (impact). If it does not rise into impact, that’s considered ‘handle dragging’ which they are not fond of."
I personally reject the idea of the #1 pressure point. 90% of all golfers PUSH ACROSS THE CLUb with just the thought of it. I dislike that with all my heart.
But, the coupling point (a term coined by Aaron Zick) should rise through impact. If it don't, that does NOT constitute "handle dragging" per se.
"Handle Dragging" is a the golfer pulling on the grip ALL THE WAY FROM THE TOP THOUGH RELEASE POINT, AND THEN PUSHING ACROSS THE GRIP TO (in effect) DRAG THE HANDLE THROUGH THE BALL LIKE A WET MOP.
Yuck.
"After impact, they want the shaft to be perpendicular to the swing arc."
"I think it’s very hands and shaft centric thinking."
I'd say arms, and hands centric.
"It’s very much against the ‘aiming point concept’ prescribed in Homer Kelley’s ‘The Golfing Machine’ which wants the golfer to direct the thrust of the hands past the ball."
Yes.
What is thrown out? Is it thrown out away from the target, out towards the ball? Is it trying to make the biggest sweep release with your hands as possible?
NOTHING IS BEING THROW OUT if done correctly, except maybe the hands. The idea of an "out-toss" is answered above in this post.
At the Ant-Summit I said I probably wouldn't include the "out-toss" an any 2.0 version of the IDEAS video, because I have other drills that I think fit more golfers. Then, on a break, a golfer came up to me and thanked me for including it, because it helped him a lot.
The hand path, done exactly correctly, should be wide early and then less and less so, as the hands wind up being pulled inward.
"...what makes the handle go up...?
The hands pulling straight up the grip late, and whatever else the golfer can recruit from the body, like the legs straightening, the forward bend coming out, even the left arm bending.
"What happens if you do it like they recommend versus say doing it like Hogan or Trevino? I don't see it one way or another. Also the way the are arguing leaves no margin for error when it comes to flipping. You are trying to time this out with your hands rather than just pivot through the ball."
I think Hogan did it in spades after the Power Golf—up the left arm era. Trevino was a handle dragger, but did everything in his power set-up and PIVOT-WISE to minimize the down, and maximize the left.
All this "time this with your hands" is just not correct!
I STILL HAVE A VERY FLAT LEFT WRIST through impact. The right wrist is flattening at nearly DOUBLE the rate the left wrist is bending.
This is about using the forces that the science says to use, in a way that matches up with the captured data of the best tour pros.
And it is working really well in lessons.
JEREMY5577
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Brian, how long do you think it will take before this becomes the preferred pattern in teaching? Do you think many club pros will reject this and continue teaching the dated information? Is the word out and is this information filtering through everyone in the teaching community?
Brian Manzella
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I did a presentation on the release at the PGA Mid-Atlantic Teaching Summit, and I am doing another one—dubbed "New Ideas on the Release" at the GBN (nee AMF) seminar at the PGA Show.
I am doing everything I can....
Brian
Haters are going to hate. One thing I have learned along the way is that if you stop trying to learn and think you know it all.... you are going to get passed. Im pretty sure these haters are relying on old "gospel"
Keep up the good work. You have influnced and taught me more than all the others combined.
Haters are going to hate. One thing I have learned along the way is that if you stop trying to learn and think you know it all.... you are going to get passed. Im pretty sure these haters are relying on old "gospel"
Keep up the good work. You have influnced and taught me more than all the others combined.
Brian Manzella
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What's funny (or sad depending on how you look at it) is how some folks are saying I am trying to "take credit" for theses ideas.
I couldn't possibly deflect attention more toward Dr. Nesbit, Mike Jacobs for all the hard study he did, or all the other scientists for their work.
As far as teaching max trigger delay and handle dragging to everyone for 20 years, that is TOTAL BULL-turds.
I taught it to 80% to 90% of golfers from 1987 to maybe 1993.
Never Hook Again pattern, 95% as it is today, was discovered by me, and I started to teach it to MORE folks than most patterns, in February of 1994.
I have pretty much always been a custom pattern teacher.
Now, for the folks I messed up with ANYTHING I ever taught, I take full blame, and do it in presentations, MORE THAN ANY TEACHER I HAVE EVER HEARD.
When are the folks that think they knew everything for the last 20 years—or the book literalists—EVER going to say they were ever wrong about anything.
What a joke.
Dariusz J.
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As an avid historician, I can compare the whole situation to what happened with some phenomena/inventions that were discovered in the golden era of Ancient Times that quickly became forgotten in the dark Middleages and, subsequently, rediscovered centuries later while using new modern methods of investigations.
The sad part is that lots of people are still in Middleages; even sadder one is that some people are trying to come out of Middleages not willing to admit they were there for ages.
Historia magistra vitae est...always.
Cheers
The sad part is that lots of people are still in Middleages; even sadder one is that some people are trying to come out of Middleages not willing to admit they were there for ages.
Historia magistra vitae est...always.
Cheers
birly-shirly
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No Wulsy, you're not a bad man - or at least your last post doesn't make you a bad man...
But I'm curious - which came first, your schadenfreude or your move to Germany?
But I'm curious - which came first, your schadenfreude or your move to Germany?
ballaholic
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Hoping to salvage this thread which has turned into a defense of Brian's work. In my opinion that's not necessary as he is out in front of this stuff and it serves to distract from the journey forward when you get back into the mud with those people that want to pick at everything. Let the haters go at Brian by building there own site and putting forward their own info/videos but don't engage them in this little game here. Whenever the site deteriorates into back and forth ping pong of "I've been doing this for years" it undermines all the effort here (my opinion).
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If you have a student who is showing good (repeatable) path numbers near zero, steep (but consistent) AoA numbers, but bad clubface control, are there specific parts of this "proven" release pattern that you would focus on? I would think rebuilding the entire swing might be a mistake as the path is pretty darn ok... would you just focus on the hand/wrist component?
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If you have a student who is showing good (repeatable) path numbers near zero, steep (but consistent) AoA numbers, but bad clubface control, are there specific parts of this "proven" release pattern that you would focus on? I would think rebuilding the entire swing might be a mistake as the path is pretty darn ok... would you just focus on the hand/wrist component?
Kevin Shields
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I'd focus on the entire hand path and where the student is putting the force about the hands
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