I have had two great range days and shot a 75 after watching the Never hook again video. I have hooked the ball for as long as I can remember, but this pattern my just have changed my game! I have been hitting the ball straight or a slight fade using the up the wall down the wall inside the wall swing. It seems the more I swing left the more I fade the ball. My question is what can I do to hit a draw swinging this way? I am a hitter using angled hinging.
Not a hooker anymore
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Jim Kobylinski
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I use the same swing....i stared using it as a hitter and now i use it as a swinger.
Simply keep the target line square, but close your plane line and trace a straight (but closed) plane. Meaning simply to keep the face pointing at the target, close your stance, and now swing along that new "stance" line.
Simply keep the target line square, but close your plane line and trace a straight (but closed) plane. Meaning simply to keep the face pointing at the target, close your stance, and now swing along that new "stance" line.
Jim Kobylinski
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The "never hook again" really isn't a "all the time pattern." Brian has said that it's a "fix it" pattern and that it will "blend" into your current swing to look a little different.
For instance i still use a very similar "Feel" of "up the wall down the wall left of the wall" BUT i'm much flatter in the backswing than brian says. I also come in a little more than brian says and i don't quite swing so far left.
Same pattern, i just tweaked it a little to FIT ME.
For instance i still use a very similar "Feel" of "up the wall down the wall left of the wall" BUT i'm much flatter in the backswing than brian says. I also come in a little more than brian says and i don't quite swing so far left.
Same pattern, i just tweaked it a little to FIT ME.
Jim Kobylinski
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8cork,
Swingers and Hitters use different approaches to create a draw, because of the differences in the Hinge Action.
Generally, Swingers have two options while Hitters have one. If Hitting and using Angled Hinging, simply move the ball back in your stance (no need to change your plane line) and rotate the club's grip counterclockwise within your left hand to keep the clubface in its original position. A little experimentation and practice will help you produce the desire ball flight.
Swingers move the ball forward and change their plane line (aim to the right) or else maintain the same plane line and simply change your ball location and manipulate the Clubface.
Swingers and Hitters use different approaches to create a draw, because of the differences in the Hinge Action.
Generally, Swingers have two options while Hitters have one. If Hitting and using Angled Hinging, simply move the ball back in your stance (no need to change your plane line) and rotate the club's grip counterclockwise within your left hand to keep the clubface in its original position. A little experimentation and practice will help you produce the desire ball flight.
Swingers move the ball forward and change their plane line (aim to the right) or else maintain the same plane line and simply change your ball location and manipulate the Clubface.
I just watched the hookers video! It was amazing to me that
the advice offered was very similar to a recent revelation
that I had figured out based on a great lesson I took at a Swing
Solutions place.
I have had a terrible time with my swing:
- Bad shots were low duck hooks that drove into the ground.
- Also no divots, thin contact or contact behind the ball.
- I got to the point where I just had absolutely no confidence
over the ball.
I went to a Swing Solutions instructor nearby and had a great lesson.
During the lesson he showed me my horrible swing - hands behind
ball at impact, weight was hanging back. I learned a couple of
crucial things during the lesson:
- First he had me transfer my weight aggressively by throwing my
right knee at the ball - he told me to exaggerate this.
- With this transfer, the club was now open at impact (since I was so used to hanging back). He had me try to hit the ball with the toe of the club to work with my new weight transfer.
- Third he showed me that my club path was going too much to the
inside after impact and that I should be letting the club travel
from inside the line to outside the line. This felt really weird
as I had thought the clubhead should immediately come back inside the
line (adding to my flipping I think).
The key point came when I was stopping in a fixed position to practice - I was stopping in the downswing position where the club
is parallel to the ground. I had the toe pointing at the sky and
he showed me that at the point where I was stopping, the clubhead
should be more closed.
As I was working on the range - something clicked. By telling me
to close the clubhead more at that horizontal position before
impact (and hit the ball with the toe) I realized that I should feel like I am releasing the club much earlier than I had been doing and get left to the ball using my weight transfer rather than my hands! What a revelation.
I think I had been completely misled by the concept of a "delayed release". I had been trying to delay release by keeping the toe
up for too long in the downswing. Since the toe was vertical too late in the downswing - this actually forced me to hang backwards on my right side in order to give me time to try and square up the clubhead! I had actually even been moving my head backwards at
impact to make room for my hands to square up. It's amazing how
a misinterpreted golf tip can be so deadly for such a long time.
So by letting myself close the clubhead earlier in the downswing,
I'm able to release the club earlier in a sense and allow myself
the ability to get to the ball by shifting my weight left. This
appears to be very similar to part of the advice in "Never Hook
Again". I have been trying to swing to the outside too a lot more
than I used to but I'll have to play around with that since Brian
recommends trying to swing left.
It's also crazy to me that the fix to my problem was
so counter-intuitive - if you saw somebody's hands behind the ball
at impact (a flipper) - you would think that you should tell them to try and keep your hands ahead of the ball at impact by holding
onto the lag longer. For my problem that would have been the worst
advice you could give since that would've exacerbated the problem.
The opposite was actually true! Release it earlier in a sense
(or as Brian shows in the video - hit behind the ball and use your
pivot to get left).
I believe the advice in Never Hook Again might be super relevant to flippers as well and not just hookers. So maybe it should be
called Never Hook or Flip Again.
One other thought I had is that Tiger's recent article about his
right arm rotating towards the ground to start the downswing sounds
somewhat similar to this concept. Although when I do think I find
a revelation, I tend to see it and read it into everything
(like I may be doing here). But I'm hoping that this "fix" will
be a lasting one and not something that disappears like the thousands
of other revelations I've had over the many years.
I'm happy I've found this place (just a week ago) and the videos. I think I'm going to be a big TGM fan. Thanks Brian!
the advice offered was very similar to a recent revelation
that I had figured out based on a great lesson I took at a Swing
Solutions place.
I have had a terrible time with my swing:
- Bad shots were low duck hooks that drove into the ground.
- Also no divots, thin contact or contact behind the ball.
- I got to the point where I just had absolutely no confidence
over the ball.
I went to a Swing Solutions instructor nearby and had a great lesson.
During the lesson he showed me my horrible swing - hands behind
ball at impact, weight was hanging back. I learned a couple of
crucial things during the lesson:
- First he had me transfer my weight aggressively by throwing my
right knee at the ball - he told me to exaggerate this.
- With this transfer, the club was now open at impact (since I was so used to hanging back). He had me try to hit the ball with the toe of the club to work with my new weight transfer.
- Third he showed me that my club path was going too much to the
inside after impact and that I should be letting the club travel
from inside the line to outside the line. This felt really weird
as I had thought the clubhead should immediately come back inside the
line (adding to my flipping I think).
The key point came when I was stopping in a fixed position to practice - I was stopping in the downswing position where the club
is parallel to the ground. I had the toe pointing at the sky and
he showed me that at the point where I was stopping, the clubhead
should be more closed.
As I was working on the range - something clicked. By telling me
to close the clubhead more at that horizontal position before
impact (and hit the ball with the toe) I realized that I should feel like I am releasing the club much earlier than I had been doing and get left to the ball using my weight transfer rather than my hands! What a revelation.
I think I had been completely misled by the concept of a "delayed release". I had been trying to delay release by keeping the toe
up for too long in the downswing. Since the toe was vertical too late in the downswing - this actually forced me to hang backwards on my right side in order to give me time to try and square up the clubhead! I had actually even been moving my head backwards at
impact to make room for my hands to square up. It's amazing how
a misinterpreted golf tip can be so deadly for such a long time.
So by letting myself close the clubhead earlier in the downswing,
I'm able to release the club earlier in a sense and allow myself
the ability to get to the ball by shifting my weight left. This
appears to be very similar to part of the advice in "Never Hook
Again". I have been trying to swing to the outside too a lot more
than I used to but I'll have to play around with that since Brian
recommends trying to swing left.
It's also crazy to me that the fix to my problem was
so counter-intuitive - if you saw somebody's hands behind the ball
at impact (a flipper) - you would think that you should tell them to try and keep your hands ahead of the ball at impact by holding
onto the lag longer. For my problem that would have been the worst
advice you could give since that would've exacerbated the problem.
The opposite was actually true! Release it earlier in a sense
(or as Brian shows in the video - hit behind the ball and use your
pivot to get left).
I believe the advice in Never Hook Again might be super relevant to flippers as well and not just hookers. So maybe it should be
called Never Hook or Flip Again.
One other thought I had is that Tiger's recent article about his
right arm rotating towards the ground to start the downswing sounds
somewhat similar to this concept. Although when I do think I find
a revelation, I tend to see it and read it into everything
(like I may be doing here). But I'm hoping that this "fix" will
be a lasting one and not something that disappears like the thousands
of other revelations I've had over the many years.
I'm happy I've found this place (just a week ago) and the videos. I think I'm going to be a big TGM fan. Thanks Brian!
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