Now knowing the truth...how much of the inside-aft quadrant DO we hit?

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Jim Kobylinski

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Can i just get this right please Brian your not advocating neither is Dr Zick hitting the dead back of the ball with a dead square clubface. Just not as much on the rear aft as previously thought.

In "reality" hitting the inside-aft really isn't correct. You might only be hitting 1 or 2 dimples to the inside line of center with an open face.

HOWEVER

some people (as noted on page 4) will play better with that THOUGHT and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
Inside Aft

In "reality" hitting the inside-aft really isn't correct. You might only be hitting 1 or 2 dimples to the inside line of center with an open face.

HOWEVER

some people (as noted on page 4) will play better with that THOUGHT and there is nothing wrong with that.

This thread seems to be dancing around "some fact" that's wrong or maybe "someone has the wrong idea", etc. etc.

You need to build the house one step at a time- so here's the "reality" - "1 or 2 dimples to the inside line of center- IS - in the INSIDE AFT- quadrant- as determined by the target line and target. How you use that piece of knowledge is up to you- but it won't change that fact.

Notice I didn't say that's where you hit the ball- although you can. I didn't say that's where you "try" to hit it- although you can. I didn't say inside lower aft or upper aft- although you could specify. I just said in example - if you pointed to a spot 1/100000 of a dimple inside of the center line- you'd be on the inside aft quadrant.

You could move forward from there- in regards to understanding any further issues.
 

neil

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This thread seems to be dancing around "some fact" that's wrong or maybe "someone has the wrong idea", etc. etc.

You need to build the house one step at a time- so here's the "reality" - "1 or 2 dimples to the inside line of center- IS - in the INSIDE AFT- quadrant- as determined by the target line and target. How you use that piece of knowledge is up to you- but it won't change that fact.

Notice I didn't say that's where you hit the ball- although you can. I didn't say that's where you "try" to hit it- although you can. I didn't say inside lower aft or upper aft- although you could specify. I just said in example - if you pointed to a spot 1/100000 of a dimple inside of the center line- you'd be on the inside aft quadrant.

You could move forward from there- in regards to understanding any further issues.

Thanks Mike -I thought i was going insane-or in danger of becoming a permanent puller or hooker!
 
Hitting the Aft side - Quiz

1 A B C D E F G- Top of ball
2 A B C D E F G- 1/2 between top and equator
3 A B C D E F G- Equator
4 A B C D E F G- 1/2 between Equator and bottom of ball
5 A B C D E F G- Bottom of ball

The numbers just represent the row
The letters represent dimples

You have a 7 iron in your hands.

What dimple do you try to hit?
 
a bunch of dimples

OK I'll bite. Being a right handed player I would strike 4C with a downward, outward and forward motion.
 
Well...

All of the following can all be eliminated (unless the clubface contacts ball with zero degrees or less loft - impossible with a seven iron unless you have a ridiculously arched left wrist (for right handed player)):

1 A B C D E F G
2 A B C D E F G
3 A B C D E F G

We can also eliminate row 5 as the bottom of the ball is touching the ground. Also note that there is only one dimple there, so there is no 5A/B/C/D/E/F/G, just plain 5.

Assuming A and G are opposite to each other (180 degrees to each other), we can also eliminate 4 A and 4 G.

Phew...

This leaves us with only five possible options:

4B, 4C, 4D, 4E and 4F
 

tank

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1 A B C D E F G- Top of ball
2 A B C D E F G- 1/2 between top and equator
3 A B C D E F G- Equator
4 A B C D E F G- 1/2 between Equator and bottom of ball
5 A B C D E F G- Bottom of ball

The numbers just represent the row
The letters represent dimples

You have a 7 iron in your hands.

What dimple do you try to hit?

My guess

If A is closest to the right handed player player, and G is on the other side farthest away.

Then you try to hit 2C (in order to hit down)
 
What dimple you "try" to hit is irrelevant.

Personally, I have a tendency to come over the top and I also sometimes hit behind the ball. To actually hit the ball in the inside quadrant and at position 4, I have to "try" and hit at B or even A, and and row 1 or 2.

Use whatever thought makes you hit the ball correctly.
 

Brian Manzella

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Here ya go...

This is HORIZONTAL HINGING: (about 1.2 degrees open)

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Whew!......
All this is giving me a headache....
I always thought it was better not to think about the ball at all (paralysis)...:)

I thought the objective was to make a good swing and the ball just gets in the way.....and you adjust everything to the flight of the ball....
KISS.........
 

neil

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1 A B C D E F G- Top of ball
2 A B C D E F G- 1/2 between top and equator
3 A B C D E F G- Equator
4 A B C D E F G- 1/2 between Equator and bottom of ball
5 A B C D E F G- Bottom of ball

The numbers just represent the row
The letters represent dimples

You have a 7 iron in your hands.

What dimple do you try to hit?

With a 7 iron -4B
 

dale47

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Damn.......Are you guys seriously talking dimples here. If I could hit the same friggin dimple every time I'd be playin GOD and givin him 2 strokes a side !!!
 

rwh

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Damn.......Are you guys seriously talking dimples here. If I could hit the same friggin dimple every time I'd be playin GOD and givin him 2 strokes a side !!!

We're all tryin', not necessarily doin'. Besides, none of us appear to be trying to hit the same dimple anyway, so what do we know?

Mike O: Is there a correct answer, or are you just taking a survey?
 
Principles

Take it easy Bob- must be snow on the ground in Oklahoma and the courses are closed- get that plane ticket to San Diego!

Damn.......Are you guys seriously talking dimples here. If I could hit the same friggin dimple every time I'd be playin GOD and givin him 2 strokes a side !!!

The specific example is just to elaborate the principle.

What's happening:
The loft on the club is what essentially determines where the clubface will contact the ball- in relation to the equator - i.e. above it, at it or below it, and that's the primary focus of this post. If you are standing on the side of the ball where our numbers are - right handed golfer- then 3D is going to be dead center back of the ball. Let say just theoretically that the 7 iron clubface will contact the ball 1 dimple on the inside aft quadrant and not at the equator- but below the equator- then that would be 4C. So from a third party observer position- i.e. video camera, etc. we would note that the contact point was below the equator causing backspin etc. - straight shot - you get the picture. A more lofted club - sand wedge- would create a contact point that was even lower on the ball - say row 4 1/2 C.

What you try to do or what you are aware of:
What you try to do or what you are sensing is something completely different than what is happening. You don't sense loft- can't really feel it. You sense the sweetspot or the clubhead weight- but you don't sense loft. Therefore what you TRY to do or what you are AWARE of - in regards to a contact dimple point on the ball is much different than the actual contact point. If you flip the golf club around and grip the shaft near the clubhead- and have the grip end near the ball- as if you are going to hit it with the grip end - and you are hitting the ball on the downswing- then the force and your effort and sensation of it, will be that you are hitting dimple 2C- i.e. above the equator is the point that you want to try to hit.

Hitting down on the ball automatically requires that you TRY (or are aware of i.e. sense) to make contact above the equator-while at the same time with the loft on the clubface it ACTUALLY contacts below the equator.

The shorter the radius (clubshaft length) the more the force is downward (compared to a longer club like a Driver) and your awareness of it is more downward. Therefore you'd be trying to hit dimple C on row 1 1/2 for a short clubshaft length, compared to 2C for a less lofted 7 iron. The sand wedge is a great club that shows off the greatest difference in this principle between actual contact point and perceived contact point - the short shaft creates a shorter radius, and if you have a super delayed release- then the clubhead is rotating around an even shorther radius and the "effective/perceived" contact point will be well above the equator, while at the same time because of the large amount of loft on the sand wedge your ACTUAL contact point is well below the equator.

The zero handicap will "try" to hit a dimple above the equator. The 30 handicapper will "try" to hit below the equator - where the clubface is actually going to contact the ball.

So here are my general guesses:
1) Tank's handicap is less than 10
2) Everyone that picked "at or below the equator" i.e. rows 3&4, wasn't catching the difference between "try" and "actual"
3) or they have a handicap above 10.
4) If all Cavemen said "Let's keep it simple"- you'd still be living in a cave.
5) Auburn010 agrees with me that where you "TRY" to hit the ball and where you "ACTUALLY" hit the ball are two entirely different things.
 
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