NY Tour Stop, what starts the downswing, and mixing parts of swings

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Next week is the Long Island Tour stop, The Explosive Golf School is looking forward to having our best friend Brian Manzella. I spoke to Brian and from the sounds of it there is still a spot left in our golf school. If you can make it, don't miss out. We will be very busy but if time permits I will make it a point to get my camera and microphone out there and do a short video with Brian for the forum. Any requests for a topic that you would like to see a video response from us?
 
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Michael Jacobs said:
Next week is the Long Island Tour stop, The Explosive Golf School is looking forward to having our best friend Brian Manzella. I spoke to Brian and from the sounds of it there is still a spot left in our golf school. If you can make it, don't miss out. We will be very busy but if time permits I will make it a point to get my camera and microphone out there and do a short video with Brian for the forum. Any requests for a topic that you would like to see a video response from us?
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Yea ,the lower body, I'm not totally convinced that the lower body starts the DS. The lower supports the upper body with the weight shifting left.Something that's been a problem for alot of folks maybe,maybe not.But I would like to see an example for different types of swing.O ESPECIALLY HOW YOU CAN MIX 1 AND 2 PLANE SWINGS, I understand you can BUT nobody has ever giving me that answer.......Thank you very much and hope you have a GREAT turnout. Wish I could be there but I'm down in TX.:)
 
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cobra460 said:
Yea ,the lower body, I'm not totally convinced that the lower body starts the DS. The lower supports the upper body with the weight shifting left.Something that's been a problem for alot of folks maybe,maybe not.But I would like to see an example for different types of swing.O ESPECIALLY HOW YOU CAN MIX 1 AND 2 PLANE SWINGS, I understand you can BUT nobody has ever giving me that answer.......Thank you very much and hope you have a GREAT turnout. Wish I could be there but I'm down in TX.:)
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no-one ever will answer that question on this forum


anyway, i was hoping you could do some help on maintaining lag pressure in full swings. when i play badly i can do it with pitches and punches but as soon as i get to full swings i cant
 
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Here ya go....

cobra460 said:
Yea ,the lower body, I'm not totally convinced that the lower body starts the DS.
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That would be sort of correct.

The BRAIN starts the downswing.​

But, trust me, I have spent some time on the 3D machines, and I have looked at as many golf swings as any 46 year old on earth with a 41 Wonderlic score...

And...things TOWARD IMPACT are going on "below the belt" in a good golf swing LONG, LONG before the hands or arms or club do ANYTHING like it.

PERIOD.


ESPECIALLY HOW YOU CAN MIX 1 AND 2 PLANE SWINGS, I understand you can BUT nobody has ever giving me that answer
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First of all, I HATE terminology.

So let's rephrase the question:

"How do you mix swings where the arms swing back much more upright than the shoulders turn and the golfer sets up sorta upright, and the ones where the golfer bends over more and make a steeper shoulder turn and a flatter arm swing?"

Easy.

All swings have there own individuality. A great pattern for one golfer, may be awful for another. A pattern that someone dreamed up using a crude model, may work on paper, but will fail in the real world.

There is a theory on the island you live on, that says that if you are one of those golfers who "swing back much more upright than the shoulders turn and set up sorta upright" that you need a wide sweep release.

Ah....nope.

Ever hear of young fat kid named Jack Nickloss?

I could go on, but, why?

Why don't you ask me a SPECIFIC question about how you could fit in a certain move in a swing with a certain REAL swing. Like, for example, how would someone with a very flat swing have a wide release or something like that.

(This is breaking some of my very successful rules around here, but, this might be kinda fun for a minute or two)
 
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Ok, Brian since you helped me go from a very flat backswing to a more upright backswing I sometimes tend to come across just a bit. But if I make sure my shoulder goes down and arms fall down first then my body seems to respond when I swing. I guess what I'm saying is it seems my first move down is my shoulder and arms. But if I make a smooth swing and not rush I hit it perfectly but my driver is erractic and it seems you have to have more speed. Explain why our brain thinks this first move down is our arms/shoulder but really its our lower body?
 
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garymag

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My vote:

1) OTT - causes and drills to prevent/cure.
2) Lead side vs. trail side controlling downswing - benefits and problems with each.

Thanks!
 
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Bigwill

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What things allow one person to hit the ball farther with a sweep-type release, while another hits it farther with a late release, other than the fact that everyone is an individual?
 
birdie_man

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Off the top of my head........

I think (from memory!!) Brian said before that axis tilt does not affect plane line. In all my thinking and tinkering I don't understand how it couldn't...? I hope I do not have him wrong, BTW.
 
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cobra460 said:
Yea ,the lower body, I'm not totally convinced that the lower body starts the DS. The lower supports the upper body with the weight shifting left.Something that's been a problem for alot of folks maybe,maybe not.But I would like to see an example for different types of swing.O ESPECIALLY HOW YOU CAN MIX 1 AND 2 PLANE SWINGS, I understand you can BUT nobody has ever giving me that answer.......Thank you very much and hope you have a GREAT turnout. Wish I could be there but I'm down in TX.:)
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i think you should search for a thread entitled 'Complete Junk' to see why the one plane, two plane stuff is not really talked about round here
 
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pecky987 said:
i think you should search for a thread entitled 'Complete Junk' to see why the one plane, two plane stuff is not really talked about round here
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I've seen all this before, and was actually a member of CQ'S forum. Maybe I used the wrong terminolgy,probaby did, but there's still an answer out there for my question.
 
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Cobra460, JH "allows" for hybrids (mixtures of 1P and 2P) and as I recall he says most tour players are hybrids. But I think Brian is right, make a specific question involving those extreme patterns' components.

My questions for the NY school would be :
-how to tell where a particular person's neutral grip is - just change positions and see where ball goes straight?

-compare the difficuly of a sequenced release to a 4 barrel release
 
jpvegas1

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Brian:

How about a short video on one or two concepts from the MIT presentations. Something that TGM was in error on that was cleared up at the summitt.
 
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dbl said:
Cobra460, JH "allows" for hybrids (mixtures of 1P and 2P) and as I recall he says most tour players are hybrids. But I think Brian is right, make a specific question involving those extreme patterns' components.
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I think this is the problem in a nutshell, If most golfers are hybrids, then trying to become a one planer or a two planer wont be the answer for most golfers.

IMO the 1 & 2 plane stuff is not neccessarily bad information, just incomplete, and should not be presented as the holy grail.
 
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tobell said:
There is no such thing as a one plane swing...period.
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It's just nomenclature/terminology/semantics. There is no universal golf swing dictionary (unfortunately). The same terms can mean something completely different depending on the school of thought you are referencing.
 
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